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 Post subject: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:10 pm 
So before I just jump in head first, here's my question(s).

I've got my TM M1A1 already.

I've seen the tutorial on strengthening the retractable stock here. (Thank you). Are there any other useful tutorials on this kit out there.

I'm looking for upgrade parts that would make this kit even nicer.

Metal barrel shroud, aluminum shrouds, aluminum magazine bottom.

If there's anyone who can help out on this, please e-mail me.

tamoogan@optonline.net

Thanks again.

Tom


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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:46 pm 
The barrel shrouds are actually metal already.

Aluminum shrouds... well we'd all like to have aluminum shrouds. That ain't going to happen as of right now.

The mag base is wider than all the others out there currently, so you'll have to have one professionally machined.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:10 pm 
Thanks for the reply.

What's the overall opinion on this kit, in general, as regards dimensional accuracy, quality.

I appreciate your help.

Thanks.

Tom
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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:27 pm 
I acquired this kit recently through contacts in HK.

Honestly, it's a great kit. I was amazed at the shear amount of cast metal created for and used in this kit. It's well designed and nicely put together. That being said, there are also many inaccuricies in the kit, most of which are not very evident to the average consumer or to those who haven't researched this subject thoroughly.

The fact that the mag base has the two black mag tabs attached to it is very notable. You remove the mag base seperately, which exposes the M1A1 mag before you take the M1A1 mag itself out.

The GNG kit is generally wider than other kits. For example, the Spas 12 cage used on the GL (Grenade Launcher) is slightly wider and longer. Also the mag well is too wide. The mag well should taper more and more as you move down from the area below the counter. On the GNG kit it doesn't taper much, if at all.

The rear stock is composed of two parts instead of one continuous metal piece. To accomodate the stock locking mechanism they designed, the rear of the shroud is larger (comes up higher) than other kits.

The section that's been cut out of the side of the spas 12 grip that is supposed to fit around the spas 12 cage's ejection port, is not as long as the section that's been cut out of most of the other kits' grips. Most other kits have one additional vertical segment cut out. Personally, I like the way the GNG grip is considering how far the spas12 grip can be pulled back on the cage.

The GL is missing a trigger. Many kits out there are missing the GL trigger. But there really should be a trigger there.

The ejection port of the GL should extend a little higher up into the Spas 12 cage. That being said, the main reason for them to do this is because, (A) I think they copied the overall design from an icons stunt PR, and (B) the way it is currently designed is better for structural integrity being that the cage itself is plastic and the ejection port's inner sliding block is really just a tube. If that tube had to extend any higher for a taller ejection port the strength of the cage might have a problem.

The trapezoid-shaped bracket on either side at the front of the shroud, is shaped a little taller than it should be.

The front triangle barrel supprt should be a simple hollow metal triangular band when looked at head-on. Instead it appears solid when looked at head-on because that is where the light gate sensor is placed to count the BBs as they are fired and exit the barrel.

They got the outer diameter of the 10mm barrel pretty close. Well close enough. But the inner diameter should be larger. It's as if they were going to use this exterior barrel as an extension of the inner BB barrel, which is a pretty bad idea as the inner surface of the exterior barrel might have texture, burs or other issues that would create added drag or spin on the BBs. The exterior barrel would have been better if it's inner diameter was widened some more, say to... 10mm ;) This can probably be done still, considering the outer barrel is metal.

There are probably some other inaccuracies that I haven't noted here. Please don't take these issues as major drawbacks because they really aren't. The main issues I have with this kit is the fact that (A) you have to remove the mag base before you can remove the mag itself, (B) I'm not sure how strong the shoulder stock's locking mechanism is yet compared to the GWII locking mechanism, (C) the lack of space for a large battery. However, this really is a great kit. It is well designed despite it's VERY minor aesthetic inaccuracies which the vast majority of consumers would never notice. The metal content in the kit blew me away! So much of this kit is metal that I was really surprised. To imagine that they got so many parts made in cast metal is very impressive.

Overall the quality is very good. The contacts on the counter's 9 volt battery connector could have been better.

As with most kits it really depends on what you wish to use this for. Do you want to use it in airsoft skirmishing games or for shooting cans and targets in the back yard, and as a high end prop. Personally I think it's best suited for shooting targets and as a high end prop. It's got cool features, appears pretty accurate, can fire BBs and the counter counts down reasonably well. The reason why I think it may not be very good for skirmishing is because I'm not entirely sure how strong the shroud is. I can't say if it will hold up against pellet hits well. Then there's the issue of the mag base. I don't like the idea of being in a fire fight and having to remove the mag cover, followed by the mag, replace with a new mag and then try to carefully replace the mag cover. That takes about 6 seconds when no one is firing at you. In a fire fight... maybe 8-10 seconds if you're lucky, compared to 1.5 - 3 seconds on a MIM kit. The lack of a large battery isn't great but can be circumvented by having a few batteries (2 or 3) handy which you could switch between games.

In the end though, it's a good kit. And worth the money.

-Alex



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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:46 pm 
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Quote:the mag base has the two black mag tabs attached... et al...

Picky, picky, picky...;)



Just funning with ya Alex.:)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:14 am 
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Quote:Picky, picky, picky...


Haha :lol: Yeahhhh well, if ya ask me to review something I'm familiar with... you know my tendancy to go all out! ;)

-Alex


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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:33 pm 
Thanks, Alex. That's a great help.

Regards,

Tom
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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:37 pm 
uscmCorps:
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Quote:I can't say if it will hold up against pellet hits well. Then there's the issue of the mag base. I don't like the idea of being in a fire fight and having to remove the mag cover, followed by the mag, replace with a new mag and then try to carefully replace the mag cover.


Very good point. Let's not over look the barrel tube housing that can be ever so slightly moved from side-to-side.


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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:34 pm 
So, there is no way to make the mag and mag base one unit?

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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:08 am 
Yes there is and I have developed it. I have been out of sorts for a while and will have them available soon.
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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:32 pm 
Any updates? I was wondering if anyone wanted to post some comparison pics, close up shots and things of how this kit differs from what we accept as screen accurate. Just out of curiousity. I have pretty much decided to buy it anyway.

Thanks guys.
Noeland


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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:32 am 
I receive my kit in just another day or so. Will have it at the shop to build up first thing Monday. I'll probably have it back end of next week for pics. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:21 am 
Does anyone know if these will be available at dragon con? I have seen pics from san diego and looks like they were being sold at a few tables. I guess I should just bring lots of money!!

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 Post subject: Re: Just got my GNG kit in...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:22 am 
San Diego being close to L.A. where there are lots of AS shops was probably more apt to have one of the dealers throw some G&P PR kits in the trunk and drive to the con (they probably aren't hot sellers). Your luck will depend on the AS sellers in the south.
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