Being a re-enactor, I am aware of the Violent Crimes Reduction Act, which prohibits certain things to do with Replica Imitation Firearms (RIFs). A post in the Base PX set me thinking, and I thought I'd post this here:

http://www.justordinarymen.org.uk/page_ ... 70312.html

I hope this helps to clear things up - apologies to those who are familiar with the VCRA.
Ian

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You may want to add that making an VCRA compliant weapon (such as two-tone airsoft guns) into a 'realisitic' firearm (i.e, painting it) is also against to act.
REGARDLESS to wether or not you are a UKARA member, re-enactor, museum owner etc.

Saying that, I plan to do it!

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AKA: Simon

Cheers Simon - all contributions accepted...

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In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

This keeps coming back up LOL Though it IS a quagmire as well. Some Police officers are not that bothered, whilst others are and as for the general public, well either educated people who know we are dressed for fun and charity work OR Knee jerk panic merchants.
However thankfully the latter seems a far cry from the events we attend.

I still believe COMMON SENSE is the BEST tool we have in costuming with weapons.

Keep it up mate

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Yeah, worth pointing out that the VCRA is a defence, and isn't cast iron. If they want to take your toys - they'll take 'em.

Your best defence is to be responsible with them.

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Your not wrong Jason - Its still mostly down to how you interpret the act. Your spot on with the common sense as well - not entirely related, but sort of related, last but one Expo, a few of us were heading down to the Fox, when two police officers approached us (you could not see them until you were almost at the pub) and said in an official tone "Can we have a word?" Being that I had my pulse rifle, VP70 and a shotgun on me, I was expecting a quiet request not to walk into the pub with the guns, but instead they simply asked if they could have a photo, they were obviously enjoying the Expo and seemed quite clued up to the fact that were were costumers with replica weapons. However, this year just as we were about to go down, I spotted two cops who seemed a bit on edge and jumpy about the whole thing, and decided to stay up in the main part until they moved on.

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MSgt Matt Bradley 'Crashdown' (Formerly Mattb)
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CO UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. 'Freebooters'
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives."

Not correct - Membership of a legitimate Airsoft skirmish site allows anyone of any age to manufacture a RIF... ie. spray paint a 2-tone, or build a kit.
And UKARA membership isn't a legal requirement at any point - It's the "Membership of a recognised and insured group with a legitimate reason to use RIFs" that matters.

It's a shame that the legislation specifically uses the phrase "past event".
I wonder, though... Although Aliens is set in the future - The filming of it was a "past event".

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Correct Scapey, but only for use ON SITE, it has to returned to original spec afterwards.

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Wrong.
A 2-tone can be temporarily covered in-game by any player of any age, regardless of site membership so long as it's returned to a 2-tone state upon leaving of the site ( And, obviously, still carried in an appropriate gunbag or holdall ).

Being that the law requires only proof of eligibility to avail oneself of the Specific Defence - Be that with a site membership or UKARA membership ( And, indeed, all that UKARA IS, is a list of people with site memberships! ) - if a player has attended three games over no less than two months, they are eligible for site membership at that point and may legally permanently manufacture a RIF, either by assembling parts, or spraypainting a 2-tone to become one.

And being that the age limit to PURCHASE a RIF or I.F. is 18, but they can be gifted to ANYBODY... this is another stupid loophole in a stupid piece of legislation that does nothing but cause a pain in the ass for all of us.

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Well I was kinda right then, must of been told the wrong info.

Kinda shows what a pile of crap the act really is doesn't it!

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Tell me about it!
I've been a site owner for almost ten years, and it's a HUGE pain in the hoop!

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Clarity.... all it needs are simple "You can do this, but not this". Can't be that hard to do surely???
Oh hang on.... it's the UK Government.....

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The irony of it is that anyone can own or purchase a deactivated weapon, but if LOOKs like a weapon...
I wonder how the Satr Wars guys get through this?

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In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

See this is the problem with it all. Different people see different things within the law :/ It`s not clear cut and truly open up to a lot of interpretation as well. Which can/cannot backfire on us as individuals/group depending on the Police officers we are dealing with. Hence Common sense is the key part.

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Yep Jason - the problem is, we're in a region that, unfortunately Common Sense is sadly lacking...

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In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

Still has me scratching my head how this act is so open to interpretation. Take our favorite close personal friends. Airsoft one's being sold under VCRA from airsoft retailers, and HCG ones freely from FP/Comic shops (my local one has one freely avaliable on the wall). And I feel it all comes down to the wording of the act - this part:




To me, that suggests that a PR is subject to the VCRA being as it is pretty obvious, even to a layperson, that its a type of firearm. However:



That, to me, suggests that the pulse rifle, having no real world manufactured firearm to compare to, could be said not to qualify as a RIF.


That all said, I still think that a court would define a pulsey as a RIF, if such a case was ever made.

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MSgt Matt Bradley 'Crashdown' (Formerly Mattb)
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CO UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. 'Freebooters'
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives."

A PR is black with Army Green plasticky bits.
The current issue L85 is black with Army Green plasticky bits.

Any lay-person will think a PR is real and with fewer people having even seen Aliens these days (evidenced by how many different things we get mistaken for), it's ever more likely that people would regard a PR as indistinguishable from a real shooter.

Being the fact that the PR is based upon an actual Firearm, it is, unfortunately classed as a RIF...

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In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

Isn't a PR by its very nature an RIF??
I mean, its a replica of an imitation firearm....

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AKA: Simon

LOL

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"R" in RIF stands for "Realistic", and the law hinges on what a member of the public could reasonably mistake for a real weapon.

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A Morita from Starship Troopers would also be considered realistic.

ANY thing that looks like it's a real gun, regardless of whether it's based on or built from a real ones/parts of, or not, is considered an RIF.
Phasers and the like are a bit easier, but still some might argue.

Anything that is brightly painted up to look "as gay as a Christmas tree" isn't an RIF.

Guys, i firmly believe that a PR is a RIF. What im saying is that the VCRA is a poorly written piece of legislation that, in a court of law, the way its written, or even a single word could make the difference in the outcome of a judgement.

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MSgt Matt Bradley 'Crashdown' (Formerly Mattb)
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"There are very few problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives."

Yep, unfortunately it's a poorly written knee-jerk reaction, which we are saddled with...

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In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

It comes down to the judgement of the individual officer in charge of the incident, should a firearms call be made.
Therefore, the risk is all yours when you sell a Pulsey to someone else.

PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I would only sell one to someone I knew and trusted, because if they subsequently get charged with a firearms offense - If they're stupid enough to wave it around in the street - that could come back on me.
If it DID come to that, however, my first action would be to poiny my lawyer at Amazon, Play and Forbidden Planet.
Because the law MUST be consistent - Therefore if anyone is ever charged with sale of a RIF illegally, for selling a Pulsey... Those retailers would have to be charged as well.
And having their lawyers on side would be damn handy

Obviously, the case is considerably more clear-cut with Veeps and shotties.

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