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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:00 am 
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A Pulse Rifle is technically classed as a RIF.
A 2-tone Thompson, if converted to a Pulse Rifle, becomes a RIF if the conversion results in less than 51% of the visible surface area being brightly coloured.

The same goes for Stormtrooper blasters / Stirlings, and Mausers / Han Solo blasters - There is no such legal classification as "film prop".
If it's not a Firearm, or a De-Ac, then it's either a RIF or an Imitation Firearm.
And the only way to guarantee "Imitation Firearm" status is for the item to be obviously oversized, undersized or brightly coloured.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:51 am 
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Doesn't answer the question regarding the HCG PR though does it Scapey (or any other sci-fi prop weapon replicas that are sold freely)? :?

That's not meant as a dig at you, I just don't get how they can legally sell them if the Law is that clear.
Like I said, surely the likes of Propstore etc., would have to know if what they are selling is legal or not.
If it is totally legal for them to sell them, then surely the PR is an IF? :?

Not saying using the HCG as a precedent would stand up in court or anything though. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:29 am 
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the point several people have stated that VCRA is a mess and most people in authority who enforce the act have never heard of it or don't know the full workings of it. there has never be a test case so there is not much of a legal leg to stand on. But most of the the people who help to get defence in place for airsoft have stated that if you point it at a joe public and they think they're about to be shot then it's a RIF. So basic any one who has bought a Pulse Rifle, Sci Fi weapon with out a defence have broke the law. But it's still all in the air until a case is brought to trial.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:05 pm 
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So, err - can I sell my deac Pulse Rifle to non VCRA exempt folk or not?...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:05 pm 
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Eagle wrote:
So, err - can I sell my deac Pulse Rifle to non VCRA exempt folk or not?...


As I understand it, if the Thompson is unmodified then you could sell it as a straight De-Act with 'accessories'.
However, the Grenade Launcher, specifically any inner shotgun aspect, could be an issue and would likely need VCRA excemption.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:16 pm 
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Did Prop Store sell the HCG PR in the UK?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:25 pm 
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Eagle wrote:
Did Prop Store sell the HCG PR in the UK?


Far as I can see, they trod the fine line of "It's a non working SciFi replica, and as such doesn't resemble any gun in production to date".

Personally, I'd not risk it, but it's really the Admins' call...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:29 pm 
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(1)In sections 36 and 37 “realistic imitation firearm” means an imitation firearm which—

(a)has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from a real firearm; and

(b)is neither a de-activated firearm nor itself an antique.


Neither applies to HCG.
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(2)For the purposes of this section, an imitation firearm is not (except by virtue of subsection (3)(b)) to be regarded as distinguishable from a real firearm for any practical purpose if it could be so distinguished only—

(a)by an expert;



I'd say that the Pulse Rifle is well-designed enough that it would pass as a real-world gun. As, BTW, do certain courier companies. Just ask poor Boltrig!

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(b)on a close examination; or

(c)as a result of an attempt to load or to fire it.



Now, these are interesting phrases, and could possibly be used to blow the entire VCRA out of the water when it comes to it being used to impede the sale of Airsoft guns and indeed the HCG replica.
They're blatantly not able to fire real ammunition - and the HCG has no working parts.

I'd still REALLY not want to be the guniea pig!

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(3)In determining for the purposes of this section whether an imitation firearm is distinguishable from a real firearm—

(a)the matters that must be taken into account include any differences between the size, shape and principal colour of the imitation firearm and the size, shape and colour in which the real firearm is manufactured; and

(b)the imitation is to be regarded as distinguishable if its size, shape or principal colour is unrealistic for a real firearm.

(4)The Secretary of State may by regulations provide that, for the purposes of subsection (3)(b)—

(a)the size of an imitation firearm is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if the imitation firearm has dimensions that are less than the dimensions specified in the regulations; and

(b)a colour is to be regarded as unrealistic for a real firearm only if it is a colour specified in the regulations.


So, size-wise the Pulsey is realistic.
Anyone up for a debate on BB / OD again? ;)


Basically, the law is phrased very ambiguously. This might seem to mean that we have a lot of leeway in what we can do.
Incorrect.
Any time the government leave room for interpretation, it's so that THEY can do what THEY like within the broad confines of the wording.


tl:dr

If you risk selling a Pulse Rifle to someone who's not a member of a re-eneactment society or a member of an insured Airsoft site... You risk large fines and possible jail time. On your own head be it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:09 pm 
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True of course. I'll be selling to those with a defence only to be on the safe side.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:47 pm 
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Eagle wrote:
Did Prop Store sell the HCG PR in the UK?

Yes, that's how I got mine.

The outer box didn't mention a Pulse Rifle, just that it was a Prop Replica.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:57 pm 
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Law-flouting feckers! ;)

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