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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:00 pm 
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Interestingly, googling that username brings up the following page:

http://www.smnnews.com/board/showthread.php?t=95795

and we also find this...

http://www.faceparty.com/smendrick

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:02 pm 
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And all this came to light because I needed to check how many issues of Dark Horse's "Colonial Marines" ended up being printed! LOL

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:05 pm 
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Technically, he's correct - You are "Over the age of 30".

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:11 pm 
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Well done guys on getting to the bottom of this and Hope you guys take Legal action for his defamation of the UKCM and two targeted individuals and the group on the whole.

Someone pm an address to me plz.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:19 pm 
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LOL! Even trolls know not to base their user names on their REAL names.

He really is a special kind of retard.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:31 pm 
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Let's all be very careful how we comment on this, please, folks.

The initial article is actionable as it's defamatory and was published, therefore is libellous.

We do NOT want anyone opening themselves up to similar action, or worse, through their responses to the situation.
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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:34 pm 
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What sparked him/her to write that?

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:42 pm 
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Ouch. Honestly, I'm just more ashamed that he used his real wikipedia account and can't write for shit. I'd of been more angry if he used a sockpuppet account or showed any signs of intelligence.

*Gets out the media law textbooks*

Bear in mind that as Wikipedia is in the US, none of this may even apply.
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The official legal definition of Libel is a statement about a person that is defamatory, and also tends to do one of the following:

-Expose the person to hatred, ridicule or contempt.
-Cause the person to be shunned or avoided.
-Lower the person in the estimation of right thinking members of society generally
-Disparage the person in his/her business,trade or profession.

All of those can be argued here, however they do not need to be. it's more just a rough guideline of what can qualify as defamatory, rather then just unpleasant. It's almost always defamatory to say of a person that they're a liar, cheat or in financial difficulties. I would say implying the UKCM costume solely to get into events for free would be a defamatory statement on the entire organisation alone, before we confront the other parts.

In order to prove Libel, as both a tort (Civil wrong) and as a criminal charge you need to prove several things. Firstly you need to prove that the article has been published. In the laws eyes to sustain a prosecution the words must be written in a permanent form. You could argue [although it's unprecedented I believe] that the wiki is a permanent form as the words remain there.

You also have to prove that it is defamatory, and not true. This is slightly tricky to do, because while he is putting things in a negative light, it is true that we have no clearing procedure, and true that we tend to use marine costumers as spotters. This isn't actually a negative thing. However, if you can prove that one of these things is a lie, then you're good to go.

Thirdly, you need to prove that the article pertains to you. I'm not 100% accurate on class action libel, but the UKCM are in reality a fairly small group of active members, I think you could reasonably argue that it was libellous to the entire core group, which would be like a crime multiplier.

In closing, I'm hungover, this is poorly written and this is only a tiny tiny primer of things you should consider before paying to get an appointment with a solicitor.

Honestly, I think it'd be incredibly tricky to press a criminal charge of libel in this case. I think a civil case of Libel could have a decent chance if you could establish the three points above, however - knowing who wrote the article [a quick google of the name Smendrick should prove enlightening.] I'd suggest that sueing for damages could be an exercise in futility. I'm hesitant to suggest a more fitting course of action on anything so permanent as the internet. Basically, defamation is complicated. I've got a lot of experience with it from "my side" and I can tell you how to avoid defamation, and I can point out about 400 ways the above article could avoid a defamation charge, but your best bet is to consider what is posted above, make sure you have answers to all of the points that are likely to come up, and seek legal advice, prehaps for a couple of sources. It's not likely to be an easy resolution, and it may in fact become quite expensive if you lose, as you will have to pay costs.

If any more information is required, I can try to clarify some points.

[EDIT: Scapey beat me to a lot of this, with less words.]

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:54 pm 
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Scapey wrote:
Let's all be very careful how we comment on this, please, folks.

The initial article is actionable as it's defamatory and was published, therefore is libellous.

We do NOT want anyone opening themselves up to similar action, or worse, through their responses to the situation.
Remember, cornered rats will try to bite.



Yeah, sorry. I wouldn't want to get sued by an actual retard.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:57 pm 
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Use this, Vicky!

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:28 pm 
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Well he sounds like a lovely chap....

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:35 pm 
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Scapey wrote:
Use this, Vicky!

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Lol..amazin' simply..amazing!!

I think this is a direct insult into what all you guys'n'gaks have achieved over the last 5 years! I dont have a bad thing to say about you guys other than you are very welcoming and we all get on great. Cant alow one little rat boy to ruin it.

Big five for the UKCM !!!!

Bri

p.s - i want a techno hug!! ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:50 pm 
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Truly a bad apple within the WHOLE Costuming World. Hope everyone turns their backs on him due to his attitude. Someone like that shouldn`t be allowed near the public or children!

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:11 pm 
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That is soooo messed up. Not all of you guys are 30!

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:16 pm 
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Even if the required criteria for a successful libel action could be proven I think any "success" in court would be a Pyrrhic Victory as you'd probably end up paying your own costs and never see a penny in compensation, claims of "hardship" and paying a £1 per week spring to mind!

As a clever man once said to me "there is no point in suing someone who has got no money" or to use a more homespun piece of advice to pursue it legally would be "like mud wrestling with a pig, you both get muddy and the pig enjoys it!"

I understand from the early posts in this thread that this "story" is no longer publicly visible so hard as it may be to do so I suggest we bite the bullet, draw a line under it and deprive its' author of the "oxygen of publicity" by ignoring him and his poorly strung-together rants.

The product pictured below may be of help in this and if there is enough interest I may be able to arrange a group buy! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:20 pm 
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It just pisses me off that the guy was given chance after chance to be a member of the group, and all he seems able to do is bully other people and blame it on his own private problems.
Hell, he verbally abused one victim all across Facebook, then tried to blame it on "I don't see my daughter enough" - As if that sort of behaviour is indicative of the sort of person who SHOULD be around children.

He's also set up a Facebook page attacking his ex - The words "Mentally unstable" spring to mind, and its a damn shame it got as far as it did before we felt unanimously able to kick him out.
And that's the thing - We tried so hard to give him every possible chance to stop the antisocial behaviour, and gave him warning after warning.

And he still appears on people's Facebook feeds insulting the group and slagging off the events we do.
He's tried to foster disharmony between the UKCM and various other costuming groups - At least one of which he was extremely vocally abusive to while he was still with the UKCM!

Kendrick, I know you're reading this - Gonnae just bloody accept that you were in the wrong, and put the UKCM out of your mind?
We don't care what you do so long as it's not detrimental to us and those friendly to us, but we WILL fight back against any slight, slander or attack against us.
Go away, and stay away. Every time you pull shit like this, you show your true colours to another UKCM member who previously thought you were alright.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:22 pm 
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Winch - The point of any libel action would not be to get money out of him ( And any money that WAS won in such a case would obviously be going to charity anyway ) but more to punish him and teach him that you can't simply bully others and treat them like shit because you cocked up your own life.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:31 pm 
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Winch wrote:
...deprive its' author of the "oxygen of publicity" by ignoring him and his poorly strung-together rants.


The funny thing is, when the article was originally posted no one from the UKCM saw it so as a 'joke' it fell pretty flat. And as far as I'm aware, no one even knew there was a problem until last night when it was realised that the UKCM Wiki entry had been deleted.

If he was looking for attention there are better ways to do it than to troll an on-line encyclopedia.

The vindictive part of me wants to copy/paste all this to the head of the Galactic Knights. Though having said that, if they've gone this long without kicking him out he's either completely bucked up his ideas when it comes to playing with others or they couldn't care less who they let into their group.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:51 pm 
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Well he's not really welcome anymore, after this diatribe I think he's pretty much sealed his fate here he's been abusive to members time and again, this is an attack against the whole of the UKCM and all it's members.

And for the record i think the AL/UKCM and the friendliest, nicest bunch of guys and gals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. Defend you to the hilt & raising nearly 2000 quid for charity at the recent NSC through sheer hard work is IMHO damn good going.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:52 pm 
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Scapey, as said on Facebook, I'm sorry if my previous post seemed to suggest that anyone was doing this for the money because I most definitely was not trying to say that. :oops:

Just suggesting that this is probably best left alone, legal action is expensive and messy especially when there is little or nothing to be gained. I understand the sentiment about teaching the person in question a lesson but do you honestly believe he would learn?

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:55 pm 
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I had no idea someone could sink to this level. Absolutely shocked and outraged. It was bad enough when it all kicked off originally and one of our own was being bullied from in our own ranks...but this is just even worse.

I seem to remember him always piping on about the TA and "comrades"...what a load of shite.

The UKCM will always be my number 1 costuming group and more than that a top bunch of people. Sounds like a serious case of sour grapes.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:56 pm 
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Yet the agent said that all the celebrity peeps at 25 th aniversairy said they really really enjoyed it!

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:59 pm 
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Kendrick, I know you're reading this - Gonnae just bloody accept that you were in the wrong, and put the UKCM out of your mind?

Is he able to? I thought he was also banned from the board?

Wow, and when he started out treating me like shit in the chat, I never thought it would go this far.

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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:05 pm 
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Is he able to? I thought he was also banned from the board?


You can read most threads without being logged in, yeah. It's a public forum.


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 Post subject: Re: Malicious UKCM Wikipedia article
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:58 pm 
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Wow... how wierd!
I just started a UKCM page!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kin ... al_Marines

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