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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:19 am 
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Rather than hijack AdonisSniper's Recon thread- I started this one.

Dom mentioned that he was going to bring a Gerber II and a Night Raider to the con as well as his USMC sabre.

Personally I think this is a bad idea (no offense Dom).

THE OFFICIAL POLICY:

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Please abide by our weapons policy: All weapons must be non-working and peace bonded. No functioning projectile weapons includes water pistols, silly-string guns, and ping-pong pistols. Bladed weapons must be cased or sheathed at all times. No clowning around or showing off in the common areas. Any weapon used in an offensive manner will be confiscated and rule #7* enforced. We expect you to use good judgment; with your help, we can continue to allow peace-bonded weapons - thanks!

(It further goes on to say)--- Dragon*Con security staff, hotel security, and local law enforcement officials will treat anything that looks like a real gun as a real gun. We do not post bail.

* (Rule 7) We reserve the right to ask you to leave the convention and refuse to refund your membership money if you are behaving - in technical terms - like a jerk.


WHAT WE KNOW/ HAVE SEEN:

It really depends on the year- some years all airsoft weapons were banned- period. I believe this happened in '04 after some idiot decided to plink some Stormtroopers from the balcony of his room in the Hyatt.

The Con staff can either be cool- or really anal.

DarthGoat (who has an outstanding X-Men team Wolverine costume) was told one year that his aluminum claws were a no-no and told to put them back in his room.

However last year there was a guy from Montreal (not sure if you know him or not Dom) who brought aluminum claws and was not given any hassle at all.

And again- last year Rex had his Batarang (which I'm pretty sure has sharpened edges and is held like a set of brass knuckles) and wasn't given any trouble. It's possible they Security Staff never saw it as he kept it in his utility belt most of the time.

Back in '05 a guy dressed as the "Things We Do Not Speak Of" (from "The Village") was asked to leave immediately because of the sharpened bamboo sticks protruding out his back

I myself was stopped to have my resin Gerber inspected- the security staff told me it would have to be peace bonded... until I pulled it out of the sheath- showing that it was only a hilt, with a one inch stub of a resin blade (covered in electric tape). Once he could see it, he said "That's OK".

They are particulary weary about swords (even if they are unsharpened)- a member of the League of Heroes said that his wooden sword almost was peace bonded- before the staff had a reaallllly close look at it (apparently it had a kick ass paint job).

I have never seen people brandishing real swords- they have always been sheathed and bonded. Ok swords have been homemade or plastic toys.

As far as replica firearms go- as long as you do not point them at innocent bystanders (in other words: hotel guests who don't have a friggin clue what part of the Twilight Zone they just walked into :wink: ) things should be cool. Personally I think we really pushed the envelope (a bit too far) with the dynamic entry of the Sweep last year. The Staff were not impressed- but didn't give us the boot.

I think it all depends on the Con Security Staff this year.

I don't think we should adopt a "go nuts" attitude simply because the staff were somewhat lackadaisical with enforcing policy last year. :wink:

I think the USMC sabre will be allowed as long as it doesn't leave the sheath (they will bond it in such a way that it cannot be removed without cutting the ziptie). The knives... will probably be a no-no.

And again- I'm not trying to be a party pooper. I'd just hate to see anyone's Gerber confiscated considering what they are worth.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:17 am 
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Last year I was outside one of the hotels enjoying my Weyland-Yutani brand smog ingestion devices, and actual cops (or the might have been really decked out rentacops) were really interested in a guys medival/fantasy/lotrish costume, as he had a real bow and I believe real (no head though) arrows in his quiver.

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 Post subject: Re: D-Con Weapons Policy
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:16 am 
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Dom mentioned that he was going to bring a Gerber II and a Night Raider to the con as well as his USMC sabre.

Personally I think this is a bad idea (no offense Dom).
None taken... you're just looking out for me.
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However last year there was a guy from Montreal (not sure if you know him or not Dom) who brought aluminum claws and was not given any hassle at all.
Yup... that's Reno.
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I'll take my chances... if anyone wants to confiscate anything, it'll just go straight back to my hotel room, point finale. Not once did anyone confront me about my Gerber or sabre last year... and did you get a load of the crazy 88 guys walking around with Katanas? It was a goddamn jamberoo!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:06 pm 
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and actual cops... were really interested in a guys medival/fantasy/lotrish costume


Real cops have never given us a problem. I think a couple of years ago we asked Derek (uscmgrunt) who lives in Atlanta, if the cops were going to give us a hard time with taking our PRs out in public for the parade.

He looked at us like we were nuts, and said something like, "No man! This is ATLANTA! The cops will probably want to hold one!" :wink:

Dom- yeah I'm just looking out for you and everyone's best interests, glad you see it that way!

I didn't know you brought those things last year without any trouble (how did I miss your sabre?). If you are comfortable then- no problem.

However I'm sure that for every cool instance with security, there are at least 10 horror stories. :wink:

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I really appreciate this thread, being that this will be my first D*C. I'm glad I don't have to be paranoid the whole time I am there about hauling around my clone trooper carbine. As always, practicing discretion and common sense is the key. Thanks again.

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I think the main rules of "Don't point your weapon at the civillians" is the best to follow. Photo ops not withstanding. People seem to like it then. :) If it's airsoft, make sure it's unloaded and no battery/gas is in the gun. Blades sheathed and/or peacebonded.

Just remember to keep it cool. If you're making a spectacle of yourself, then EXPECT trouble.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:39 pm 
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So I can't load crowwbow quarrels into my Nerf Longshot?

But don't we technically wave our guns around for the Colony Sweep?

Or would that be considered performance art?

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It depends what you're pointing at. Myself I've never had any probs at Dcon. Now Megacrap, er, I mean Megacon here in Orlando is different. Had Orlando Police stop me to inspect my wifes suction cup dart toy crossbow while completely ignoring the MP5 airsoft on my back :lol: Funny story, now back to talking only of the Dragon.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:11 pm 
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Um Chris... are you sure they were inspecting her crossbow? Considering she was probably wearing the Scarlett costume... :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:32 pm 
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Chryse wrote:
I'm glad I don't have to be paranoid the whole time I am there about hauling around my clone trooper carbine.
If you're clone-trooping at DCon this year, be sure to pose with the Atlanta Rollergirls!
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AdonisSniper wrote:
Um Chris... are you sure they were inspecting her crossbow? Considering she was probably wearing the Scarlett costume... :roll:


I was actually holding it. She was in the "Little Joe's Room" at the time.


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sharpuscm wrote:
Chryse wrote:
I'm glad I don't have to be paranoid the whole time I am there about hauling around my clone trooper carbine.
If you're clone-trooping at DCon this year, be sure to pose with the Atlanta Rollergirls!
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It looks like I had better do that, or they'd come after *me*. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:21 pm 
Honestly, as long as you have the blade peace bonded you probably won't get any trouble and if it isn't the worst will be they will either peace bond it or ask you to take it back to your room.

I also heard that last year or the year before they got a new head of security that actually does some form of security work for a living. That's when they changed a lot of the rules like active security wearing a specific badge that only security had and started making people walk on a specific side going from the Marriot to the Hyatt.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:28 pm 
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Chryse wrote:
It looks like I had better do that, or they'd come after *me*. :lol:
BAH! They're all sweethearts in the end...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:11 am 
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BAH! They're all sweethearts in the end...


A shame they play for the other team. :wink:

But back to topic---

With the sweep we do hold our weapons in the ready position. We are going to TRY and be much more slow and tactical this year ( :wink: ) and not look like a bunch of maniacs hell bent for leather (yes... I know I started that stampede last year :oops: :lol: ).

So as long as you don't point your weapon at Joe Average gritting your teeth looking like you've gone postal, everything will be fine.

Most of the public are aware that this is the largest costume convention in the US- and understand the context that carrying a gun-like object is part of the costume (which has probably kept us from having to do a lot of 'splaning). :wink:

Star Wars costumers probably have the least to worry about, as a Stormtrooper with a BFG looks cool (nobody is going to think the gun is real with live ammo). WE however look like regular soldiers to the public (with PRs that pretty much resemble sub-machine guns) and should take a little extra care to act responsibly.

Besides it's impolite to point. :wink: :lol:

That being said- our track record has been outstanding. Other than the Security guy telling us that the cops had a very close eye on us when we burst into the Hyatt lobby, we have never had Security bat an eye at us. :D

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:16 am 
You know, I may sound like a mad man for saying this, but this year, think we should give security the heads up on this before it goes down?


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If you guys think you have it rough, how about those Stargate guys? Some of the stuff they tote exists in this world. Some of them don't look much different from the SWAT.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:15 am 
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You know, I may sound like a mad man for saying this, but this year, think we should give security the heads up on this before it goes down?


Yeah unfortunately I can envision them giving us the red stamp of denial without listening to us try and explain it first.

But that's just the pessimist in me. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:27 am 
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Do I need to put the flak back into the flak vest just in case we get shot at by Barney Fife?

And here's a tip... GASP! Most of the D*con security guys are headed up by Thomas K. (TK667) and they belong to SG-11, through scifihero.net

That's probably why no one says things about their weaponry.

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"TK" is a hell of a nice guy, and willing to answer questions if he has time, both online and at DC.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:56 pm 
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Oh yeah, not saying he isn't. Just, as far as I know, he's head of security... or at least *a* head of security.

I also put him in the "smart enough to know how costumers are" category to realize we might be carrying props and not "real guns"

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True, but there is the flip side that he probably knows some one who carries a real gun instead of a prop.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:11 am 
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SSgt Burton wrote:
Yeah unfortunately I can envision them giving us the red stamp of denial without listening to us try and explain it first.
Well... we did manage to get a green stamp in Toronto, so go figure.


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