I'll chime in and say that I would think a costume with the intent of referencing the film properties with serious respect (whether or not it is "official" canon) seems more acceptable for this parade deal than something that's intended to reference the properties light-heartedly, or in a goofy manner.

I'd at least say that if your more expensive costume is the goofier one, wear something less elaborate and quicker to put together that fits in with the "seriousness" of the parade marching (so you can at least be there without controversy) and then wear your more high-end tongue-in-cheek costume when meshing at the convention.

When you guys hash it all out, let the rest of us know...
Mzn I need sleep, been awake since 02:15

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Carpe Crustulum!! (seize the cookie!!)

Hi guys,
I've been watching this thread and the previous hot pants thread with interest and I think there has been a lot of debate and good points made from all points of the compass (see what I did there I avoided mentioning "sides"! ) A few people have perhaps misinterpreted others comments and hopefully that has been cleared up.

I think as many others have agreed already Lonescout nailed it and Scapeys suggestion about bouncing your more "unusual" ideas off a few others in advance are all to the good.

I should like to offer the following as an addition rather than an alternative to that already suggested, so in keeping with the ideal that Self Regulation is better than Imposition and since we are a relatively nebulous group where any attempt at control would be like herding cats.

So if you have an outfit which your not 100% sure is "parade appropriate" consider these three steps which need not be in this order;

1) Would my parents/siblings/closest friends be proud to see me in the parade wearing this outfit? I realise we have certain members no names or pack drill where this might not be an effective filter!

2) WWCCD short for "What Would Chris Chulamanis Do" If you rocked up in your new outfit would Chris have come over said "Welcome Aboard Marine" and marched beside you then you're good to go, If he would have chuckled to himself but kept his distance then you're probably still OK for the Parade, If however he would have done a complete Face Palm then perhaps you should think about marching elsewhere in the Parade? (With sincerest apologies if my impression of Chris and use of his name is considered inappropriate by anyone who knew him better than I! )

3) The Flag Bearer for your nations flag is suddenly struck down with heatstroke/food poisoning/alcoholic relapse/passing bus etc could you in good conscience step into the breach and carry your nations flag dressed as you are?

Here's hoping this helps a little with this particularly thorny issue but as Marines I am sure we will all "Improvise, Adapt & Overcome"

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Avoiding discussion of 2 (because I have philosophical objections to it), the other two are essentially specifying that you're human and conscious of your own actions IMO, if you overlook that some of my family are not at all proud to see me dressing-up generally.

But, with reference to 1): The worst thing would be to wear something you thought was OK, without your closest group of friends voicing any objection at the time, only to find out afterwards that you caused upset.

Let's just get it out there for people who haven't sussed it yet themselves: the hotpants thread was a response to how a certain lady wearing pink was discussed/treated on here.

Yup, hence my comment earlier RE Flag.

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Is it just me or is this thread saying that it's OK for a woman to wear a skimpy costume during the parade but not a man?

I actually find that really insulting.

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"You know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water."

Which is the question I asked kinda

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*dancing around like an idiot*

HAHA neener neener, I can wear guys clothes, but they cant wear mine


Yeah, I got some sleep last night

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Sorry G, but as I was the first to respond negatively to Kris's opening post in the (now renamed after the fact) 'camo shorts/hotpants on parade thread', I made sure I read it several times, to be sure, before responding.

It totally came across, to me and I'm sure others, as a serious proposition and not as a now 'just for fun thread', and I didn't read into it being in any way a response to the pink HK armour discussion. Hence why I responded and never even mentioned the HK in my reply.





Vicky, are the military pin-ups 'Skimpy' as such?
I haven't seen Taj wearing hers, buy from the pictures in her thread I wouldn't have thought so.
Previous USCM pin-ups haven't been skimpy either have they?

Martin

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you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

The interesting thing is that I thought it was just a joke thread until I read the D*Con Pictures thread and others, and talked to Stacy. Then I realised that Kris was making a serious point.

But it was never "serious" in the way that some people seem to think. Does that mean it was good satire or bad satire? I have no idea.

This started as G says in the Dragoncon pics and vids thread wear I made a joking comment in response to all the negative and harsh comments about stacys armour it was then suggested that a separate thread was started which I did this has in honesty spiralled out of control but I have to say I'm shocked by some of the sexist comments I seen since then

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I'd just like to point out that there are male pin ups (as my female and gay male friends prove to me every day on facebook) and male cheerleaders.

Oh, and one of my local shooting friends is a big, hetero, mountain of a man who shoots in competition wearing pink, with custom painted pink Glocks...

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"I see you had another visit from the 'good idea fairy', Lieutenant..."

The funny thing is, I didn't get any pictures of me in it, there are a couple after I took off the shrug and was sitting down, but no, it is a knee length skirt, and covers pretty much all the goodies.

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"Chief Bartender for the Naughty Corner Bar"

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Martin, I agreed with you in the original thread. The thing is, I knew Kris was (mostly) joking. A lot of people didn't get that. The fact that this thread was even started proves that.

As for 'skimpy', it depends on the style of pin-up.

I don't have issue with 'tasteful' pin-ups but tasteful is open to personal opinion. What one person may think is OK, another might find completely inappropriate.

I'm just worried that there's a touch of double standard here. It's not even really about men/women. It's about appropriate clothing for a group of people leading a public parade. I'd like to think that we're adults and can make adult decisions with regards to that.

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I fail to see what sexuality has to do with this?

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"You know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water."

What like mine?



Sexist how, because I can distinguish between the appropriateness of the two costumes for the parade, not the sex of those wearing them?



Historically, for a long time, there have been female military pin-ups, but I must admit to maybe being a little old fashioned here, I tend to only think of the ww2 style ones. Well attired but sexy.

Are there male military equivalents?
I honestly don't know, but If so, I'd be absolutely fine with them also.

Martin

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you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

honestly as you added smileys after i took it you were messing hence the smiley after my response although you did add the word bloke not just someone in hotpants

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Yes, the bloke bit was just a reference to you though.

Anyway no offense meant, good satire or bad satire (as G put it), it honestly didn't come across that way to me when I read it.


I think it is healthy things like this can be debated, without people really falling out.

Martin

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Martin 'Victim' Victory
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UKCM 13th Regt. 1st Batt. Freebooters


you can't take the PUNK outa Spunkmeyer

Exactly.

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Patrick "Scout" Gerrity

"I see you had another visit from the 'good idea fairy', Lieutenant..."

Nowadays, yeah there are. They, mostly, fit into the 'beefcake photo' category, but they are evocative of old style pin up photo's of the past. Basically, well muscled, scantily clad or tastefully attired, handsome guys in military garb, posing.

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Patrick "Scout" Gerrity

"I see you had another visit from the 'good idea fairy', Lieutenant..."

I must have totally missed the comments of Stacey's HK armor then.
This all started with the hot pants comments and became 'parade costume standards' with the HK armor being an example of something to discuss.

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OK, my turn to wade in I guess...
I'm probably the most hard assed non-military type in the world. I HATE all things non cannon. We had accurate camo for sale before and have it again. Drives me nuts that people don't want to wear the approprite stuff. The wrong armor, the wrong boots, the wrong weapons, won't tuck in your shirt... drives me crazy AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Coming from a reenacting background, with some 501st thrown in, I can't fathom why you want to do use the "wrong" stuff

But, it's not my job to tell people how much they can spend or on what, I'm not really in charge of anything. So when we couldn't afford/aquire a smartgunner, we made a fake one, we decided the predecessor was like a SAW. It turned out nice, and it started to crack my hard ass. then we had trouble getting camo, then people didn't want to wear shirts or helmets, that chipped away more. Eventually decided to do steampunk and anything left went out the window.

We probably have more "rules" in Maryland than any the other groups combined, hell there are 3 or 4 kids here that don't play with us because I said no to their rank, fair probably not, but Terrapin is my ship, so my playground

Then we met most of you, and my first several questions were how do we act more like the 501? I though I'd pee'd in the punch bowl.

I have managed to back off some, but I still feel we need some overall group Guidlines, we are just getting too big, but that is a discussion for another time, and not abotu costuming.

All of that said, and have learned through observation, people will dress how they want, how they can afford, what they think is cool or funny and you can't stop them, and I'm not sure most of you really want to. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN

Stacy, your camo pattern is from LV-835 Mustafar, the "Lava" planet, wear it with pride

ALSO, The entire parade was a shitstorm this year, so the people that run it really don't seem to care anymore. Maybe we are starting to take this too seriously, the 501st didn't start out as 500 people with poles up their asses, we may get there soon. And the "Ripley" bothered me more than Stacy ever would

Sorry for the disjointed comments but I'm trying to get this in at work

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Rob - What did I miss in the parade? And what was wrong with the "Ripley"? ( You're not talking about the girl that showed up with Newt are you? )

Sandy - It was only actually when I got off the train THIS Dragon*Con that I realised why your flag-cape had been niggling me. Until then, it was just a back-of-the-mind thing that wasn't worth bothering about.
Then me and Bolty found ourselves in the midst of a couple of hundred drunk Scotland fans, wearing Saltires in the exact same fashion, and the penny dropped / the thought crystallised. That's what it resembled.
If you promise to put it on a pole instead of wearing it as a cape, I'd be more than happy to request flag-bearer position for you next year... After all, I think you're likely to be the Wall crewmember with the most drops apart from me and Bolty next year anyway ( Correct me if I'm wrong ).

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Rob, I gotta second Scapey about Ripley, because if it's who I think it was, she's probably open to some pointers, and she's a MD girl.

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it was a woman in the parade with brown pants

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