In 2011 I carried the USCM flag while wearing armor. Seemed appropriate at the time.

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Well...



Spat what are you doing? Are you just being a White Knight or Devil's Advocate? Do you honestly think it would be okay for a guy to be dress in a woman's pinup uniform complete with garter's and high heels for the parade?


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Devil's Advocate. All the way. I think the parade should highlight the best that Aliens Costuming has to offer. I personally don't think there's any place in our ranks for the joke costumes. If people want to start a new slot in the parade for the Aliens Parody Costumers, that's fine. But I'd rather march with the Ultimate Bad Asses.

I'm just warning you guys that if you open up the parade to allow women in skimpy "Marine" outfits to march, then you can't complain if guys decide to march in the same skimpy outfits.

I think it would be awesome if we had an APC of some sort with the Pin Up Gals riding on top of it. But once that happens, the floodgates are open and there's no going back.

Is our spot in the parade for "Aliens Costumers", or for the "Aliens Legacy"?

If it's AL, then we can make it invite only and not allow people who just show up wearing whatever they want to march with us since it's a specific "Group" event. But that will require a Sgt. At Arms to enforce.

But again, that's just my opinion.

And I agree, armor painted in different colors I would still consider as Armor. I have no problem marching with that. If there was a big Hello Kitty on the chest, that would be a different story.

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When I've applied for and signed up for the parade its been under 'The Colonial Marines', however the fan table is 'The Aliens Legacy' and to add to Spats comment...in previous years the parade staff have asked if they can have other costumers from the universe (Predators for example) join us as they didn't have enough for their own group.

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Sorry, but I have to disagree here. I really don't think that Ash's pin-up is parade appropriate. Maybe if the tops of her hold-ups were covered with a longer skirt then I'd change my mind, but as it stands in that photo I'd give it a big no for the parade. And just because other groups wear less, that doesn't mean that the AL group should as well.

But as I said earlier in this tread it's all down to personal opinion. In my mind, a woman is as equally sexy dressed as a Marine kitted out in full armour or in a BDU mini-skirt and high heels.




Praise the Lord!!! Spat gets it! So why can't anyone else?

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I have to agree on this point, showing garter is a bit suggestive for the parade, well at least I wouldn't do it, I prefer my skirts knee length, (or only slightly above)

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Just out of interest, then - Am I completely wrong in thinking that Lauren's "Playboy bunny"-esque version of the Hadrian's Wall mascot, Bugs, would be OK?
Grey dance leotard, camo pattern corset, combat boots, Spat helmet, and great big floppy ears with a fuzzy tail?

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I also agree.



And with this as well....




I am also going to go on record and state that the whole hotpants/pants/shorts thing was a JOKE (I was in chat that night) and sometimes we should just laugh stuff off. I am often times rolling my eyes at Paul as he talks about all the wild and crazy stuff he wants to do during the parade, that I know he would never do.

Stacy's "Hello Kitty" spin... FRAKKIN love it! She rocked it and looked amazing. You go girl!

One of the things that I love about this group is the level of acceptance. We're not the 501st. We all don't use screen accurate BDU's, armour or other props (thank goodness, I like the different and creative spin people add). We're here to enjoy ourselves with people that we've known for a while and make new friends in the process. I've made some great friends since I've joined up. I think we need to remember that we are all here to have fun, while geeking out over a movie we all enjoy and not be quite so harsh or ugly to each other.

Anywho... that's my two cents added.

Yes

Let me clarify, Scapey.

The parade is a family event. The streets are lined with children and parents. Anything slightly suggestive should be out the window.

We can still have fun with the parade and in a tasteful manner.

Though she doesn't really "show" anything I don't think it's parade appropriate.

*Shrug*
[EDIT - Later post clarifies my stance]

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I edited my response to be a little more clear.

Thanks.


And to clarify my side... I DO think she's fine.

Power Girl.
Star Sapphire.
Captain America's USO girls.
Slave Leia.

Hell, the bloody 300 Spartans!

All fine, all roughly the same amount of flesh on show, give or take.


Also - We're absolutely fine with lethal weapons of war, but some thigh is out of order?
That seems... Wrong.

"Look kids! Smartguns! Pulse Rifles! Knives! Sharp Sticks! Shapely Legs!"
"BOOOOOO! WE DON'T WANT SHAPELY LEGS HERE!"

No?

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TBH, I don't give a toss who cries "Double standards" at this point.
If my standards are double for thinking that female pinups, such as have adorned the noses of fighters, bombers, and warships pretty much as long as they've existed, are fine and dandy... But men in similar attire is not...
Then paint me blue, and call me a blue hypocrite.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with transvestism, homosexuality, transgenderism, bisexuality, sexyandiknowitality or whatever anyone's personal gig is.
But historically, combat forces HAVE utilised pinup imagery, and I think it fits with our "look". It's nice. I personally like it, as do countless others.

I do not agree that if one is allowed then the other necessarily follows.
There are plenty of places to push the politically correct "If women can dress like that, men should be able to as well!" thing.
The D*Con parade isn't one of them. If I thought it was, I'd already have commissioned an outfit for Bolty's birthday present. I'd never wear, or want to see, Rapid Response in the Parade. NOT because they show too much flesh ( c.f. 300 Spartans ) but because they cross the "Parody" line too far, and are too far removed from the "proper" image we wish to project for the U.S./U.K.C.M.

Which is why I think pinups are fine in the parade. I don't think they're too suggestive, or overtly pornographic. And they fit our theme. If Ash, Taj, Lauren, Rebecca, Amy or any of the girls wanted to wear a pinup outfit in the parade, they'd have my support. And if I can see the tops of their stockings... And wut? That was risque and frowned upon in the 1940s. We've moved on a bit since then!

If the majority think otherwise... Fair enough. No pinups.

I suppose it all comes down to where each of us draws their own personal line. All of the above is my own personal opinion - You're all going to have a different line, drawn a different distance from the start.
As I said elsewhere, most of what we're arguing is moot.
And if someone DID decide "I want to wear X" - We wouldn't be arguing the toss from behind keyboards, with hypothetical ifs and but(t)s.
We'd be talking to a friend, and coming to a compromise with them.

So let's bring the group hug into this thread too, please?

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Bloody loved the photos of that outfit.... got it right away. Was rather impressed with myself!

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To be completely honest, I wasn't sure if it would be suitable because I had never marched in the parade or even watched it, as I always preferred sleep before. As I wasn't sure, and I wanted to avoid this exact drama/issue entirely (especially being new and not wanting to cause a stir before I was properly a member of the group), I chose not to since I felt like it was bordering somewhat on not being family friendly. After realizing people DO walk in the parade in about the same (or less) attire, though not yet (or possibly ever) in the Colonial Marines group, I would be comfortable walking in it if it were not going to be an issue and cause all of this all over again (albeit in boots and not heels).

However, if the parade were next week, I personally would elect not to march at all at this point in time. I might reconsider if the issue came to a conclusion. As it stands, I'll wait and see.

after reading 5 pages of responses, i found the single most important sentence stated in this thread.





LETS DO IT

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I agree, this should not be the thing that riles us at each other... It is just not THAT critical
Cookies on the other hand, I will shank a mate over cookies

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Ok Dom... That is awesome!

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I agree this should not tear us apart. We can discuss as a group. I too believe the parade should be us putting our best foot forward but that does not mean we can not discuss about costumes. If things go as planned there may be another bug in the parade next year.

Thanks!

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Ok.... someone please tell me what "HK" armour is?!

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HK = Hello Kitty

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I think this is getting out of hand.

If you want to wear something for the parade just say what you are doing and if people say yes that the end of it.

Just do the best you can and that really all we want.

I loved Stacy Hello Kitty armour as the work and time spend on that was alot and it looked excellent as every thing was right, It was only the colours but the pattern of the armour, (Spat armour that look's great) BDU's was very nice and with the boots and PR.

You could say about Abe red collar, But that Abe and everyone know this and the same with Stacy love's Hello Kitty.

All the Pin-up girls look lovely and if they want to do it that is fine with me, as long they are happy to do it that all the really matter's.

I the kind of person that will say want I meant in a direct way (that I been told is not a good thing - but a spade is a spade)

So we get to classes of groups and who say what crap. The best thing is if you thing it looks good and your happy with it is ok.

Cheer's Steve

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