What gives?

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Think the board just got a Wal-Mart

Fixed that for them.

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Steve
Corporal in 69th Regt. 1st Batt. Homer’s Heroes.

"I'd like to die at the age of 80 in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth around my c**k."

It still says your. Should be you're.

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Mike

"We're not heroes - we're from Finchley"

Now it's no longer "The test"...


But it still is a "test".



Well pull my lips off... I thought I'd never see the day!



CRY HAVOC!!!
AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!!

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Beat ya.

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Steve
Corporal in 69th Regt. 1st Batt. Homer’s Heroes.

"I'd like to die at the age of 80 in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth around my c**k."

Oh right, I thought you meant you'd drawn their attention to it.

Wonder if they'll notice!

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Mike

"We're not heroes - we're from Finchley"

Damn, there are a lot of typos in that thing!

Also, how many years is X number of years for recasts to be allowed? 1? 5? 10? 100?

It should be never.

But that's just me.

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-Spat

Shhhhhh

I just posted to tell them about it.

Up to them if they wanna change it or not.

Don't ask me man, I don't work here.

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Steve
Corporal in 69th Regt. 1st Batt. Homer’s Heroes.

"I'd like to die at the age of 80 in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth around my c**k."

What was this all about?

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"Awww, someone tell me that's a boot!

It's a boot!"

III drops

New car boot/yard sale bit was ininitally cunningly disguised under the title of 'test'

We're just being arses that's all. Usual fare

That's a legitimate question.

Let's say I have an Icons PR that I'm going to recast. They are not made anymore and Icons no longer exists.

On the one hand- it could be looked at as providing a service to those who never had the chance to own an Icons PR.

And on the other hand- it could be looked at as devaluing the now highly collectable Icons PR. If everyone can own a relatively cheaper copy- why would they plunk down the money for the real deal?

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Kevin, you know it offends me when you say something I agree with, so why do you keep doing it?

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-Spat

Agree with you there on this one.

Selling recasts? GTFO in my eyes. Do we really want people listing sales on here for runs of recasts even if they're out of production? - Using the example in the rules 'recast halcyon facehuggers ' . They're 'crawling' hohoho all over ebay as it is for like $10 a pop from Asia way.

Just doesn't seem right to allow that sort of thing to even go on here in the first place, irrespective of the ' if the original producer or copyright holder kicks off - tough taataa's you're on your own' umbrella.

How could I buy it if it's not available?? if it's not available is it truly a cheaper version if the original is not sold anymore??
Everything I say is a lie. AND I'm lying now.

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PVT. Schmaus, Christopher J.
2nd Batt 6th Regt
USS Tahoma

I like the idea of a place to sell and buy. Nice one mods.

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Private B. Lipnick
A07/TQ1.0.02161E1

~funny name, serious attitude~

Thanks! That will give me nightmares now. Esp that woman on the left!

Look at it this way. I want to buy a Gullwing Mercedes. They're not available anymore. But they are still out there, second hand. And they are expensive because they are rare. They usually go for $600K or so.

If someone showed up one day, re-making Gullwing Mercedes' by recasting the parts in his basement and selling them for $20k, do you think Mercedes would be mad?

How would you feel if you bought an original for $600K, and now they are out there for only $20k?

It's not a perfect analogy, I admit, but it's the same theory. Even though something is not in production, it does not make it a dead item. There's a collectors value in those items that is lost when they get recast.

What about limited runs of items? Someone makes a run of say 100 of something, and then kills the mold and moves on. But you want one of those items but did not get in on it in time. So why not just have one of the people who bought one of those items make a copy of his so he can give it to you? And while he's at it, why not just make 200 more so everyone who wanted one can have one as well? Where do you draw the line?

Just because something is not available does not mean it's ok to make and offer a cheaper copy of it. Or any copy for that matter.

As a prop maker, I can't see an argument that can change my mind on this.

Maybe as a consumer you don't care where your props come from, but you're not expected to for the most part. You're not supposed to see behind the curtain to know what the Wizard is up to. But other Wizards are supposed to have respect for their fellow artisans, and not recast. Have some pride and just re-sculpt and make you're own.

I have a lot of awesome props and kits made by some truly great artists. Many of whom are no longer in the biz, and some who have passed on. I would love to take some of their items and drop them in silicone and just offer copies of their kits, but I could never bring myself to do something like that. It's just.... wrong.

And again, a consumer or collector shouldn't really have to trouble themselves with these things. If there was some sense of honor amongst us thieves, then the buyers would never have to worry about recastings. And I know that we are all in some way recasting something, if only because someone else made the original for a film, and even copying the found items (if they are then put together to match the item used on screen) is a form of recasting, but I hope some of you can understand the fine line between the two distinctions.

End rant.

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-Spat

I do agree that making a copy(recasting) someone's work is not right. In the last month we have seen good examples of this (wings & helmet photo). It is hard for someone who has limited knowledge on props to be able to know if something is a recast. I know I am looking for things and hope to find them. I guess it's up to you guys to help us out.
Oh and yes I am sucking up a little because I don't want Spat mad at me. Not until I order and get my armor

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PVT. Schmaus, Christopher J.
2nd Batt 6th Regt
USS Tahoma

And even then, I always have new stuff and upgrades coming out for my gear.

I should have a couple of new items in the store this week, or next, and a new upgrade on my armor by the end of the month.

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-Spat

**I know Spat already covered this, but I have a tendancy to skim-read his posts (I usually can't get past his silly smilling avatar- so I end up scrolling right to the "Badman" banner).

Just about anything that is no longer produced will come up on ebay eventually- usually fetching a fantastic price.

Which is the whole point of someone putting that out-of-production item on ebay in the first place.

An ironic example is vintage Star Wars vehicles. They used to go for exorbitant amounts- but once Hasbro re-released just about everything with improved electronics, lights, bells and whistles... the value of the vintage stuff fell through the floor. Unless something was still in a near mint package you wouldn't get more than what you paid for it in the 70s/80s.

Thank you very much Mr. Lucas. (Where's that "up yours" emoticon? )

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?!

Supply, and demand, though.
As far as Lucas sees it, why should someone else profit from his creation?

Playing devil's advocate here, but there's a fine line between recasting an item that's rare and expensive or simply no longer available, and creating your own version to sell. As far as the uninformed customer goes, the line is faint if it's visible at all.
Spat - Your armour is fantastic ( the wife and I wouldn't own two sets if it wasn't ) but you yourself were concerned about how Terry English himself would react to your creation.

Slightly different as the situation is, I think that if an item is long out of production and someone who has plonked down the cash to buy one wants to make copies, so be it. It may devalue the original, but it's no more likely to do so than a good hand-sculpted copy.

The big problem is recasts of items still available from the original creator.
That's out of order.

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Wasteland Workshop
Props, cosplay pieces, upcycled ornamentation, and miscellanea;
For the discerning survivor of the apocalypse.
Steve Fletcher : Maker, Scavenger, and Junksmith.
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Thanks! And I do freely admit that under certain interpretations, I am a recaster as well. I occasionally have screen used props of mine that fall into silicone, "accidentally", and then resin kits ensue.

I think we have to define what recasting is as far as this board is concerned.

Is it considered a recast if it's a pull directly from an original that was used in the movie? What about a copy of something that was copied directly off an original? What about a copy of a copy of something pulled from an original?

Personally, I don't consider it recasting if:

1 - It's a pull from a screen used item (1st gen), or pulled from the original molds.

2 - Completely hand sculpted from reference pics or measurements.

3 - A 1st gen copy of an unmodified "found item".

4 - A 1st gen copy of an item assembled from "found parts".


Anyone else have things to add?

But as far as it being ok to recast if the item is long out of production, how long is long? 2 weeks? A year? It's too gray of an area for me. I stopped making MK I Spulse Rifles a long time ago, probably 4 years or so, is it ok for someone to recast those and start offering them?

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-Spat

Adding to my own list:

1 - It's a pull from a screen used item (1st gen), or pulled from the original molds.

2 - Completely hand sculpted from reference pics or measurements.

3 - A 1st gen copy of an unmodified "found item".

4 - A 1st gen copy of an item assembled from "found parts".

5 - A copy of an out of production item with permission of the original maker/caster/molder.

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-Spat