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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:21 pm 
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Apologies to all.

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Stupid ass motherfrakking retarded 501st members!

I live in Florida, and we have Star Wars Weekends coming up. Well to participate I had to sign up at the Florida Garrison forum. Yeah, stupid but I can play by the rules.

So I figure what the hell... I'll be friendly and post in the intro forum. Here's what I posted:

"Hey all,

Not really so much 501st. Although I did sign up to be a Scout Trooper back in the days when you didn't have a costume to be a member. So I might be still on a roster or two.

Those from Rebel Legion may know me by my screen name of Lao-Jon Yung. Ug, stupid Jedi name but it was my first costume I did there. oy. I currently have 2 Rebel costumes I'm working on, Endor Commando and A-wing pilot. But I'm looking for a nice "simple" Imperial costume. Preferrably mostly cloth (I really hate working with plastics, seriously).

All I have is a nice Black imperial belt and a Costumebase grey officer cap. Just because I always wanted an Imperial hat. Any suggestions on what to do that won't break the wallet too, too much?

Oh but as the subject says... yes I'm from Gainesville. Well outside of Gainesville now, but I always seem to be in town for some reason or another. I do Aliens Colonial Marine costuming as well as BSG and random bits and bobs from other genres."

So I got this back in reply:


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Any suggestions on what to do that won't break the wallet too, too much?


Stay in the Rebel Legion."

No smiley faces. No j/k. Nothing. Within an hour of me posting I get smug Plasticboy in-your-face-superiority wang waving and posturing. And you guys know I have a great sense of humor.

Did I say I wouldn't drop the money? No... I find cloth costumes much more comfortable and affordable to the ridiculous armor. Yeah armor looks cool but not my thing for Star Wars. I'm not that good with building the Rebel helmets I had to.

Damn. I know that pretty much all the 501st guys I know from here... and the ones I recruited to work a con in Cleveland were great to talk to.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:28 pm 
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Don't get me started on the current state of the 501st. As far as I'm concerned, they should have disbanded after the last movie came out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:34 pm 
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I have tried in the last couple years to get help from them and it never fails I get the holier then tho. attitude.

They all act like they make their own costumes just because there is a little some assembly required does not mean you made it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:37 pm 
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And honestly I would think sewing my own Imperial Officer or some such would be more difficult to some people. Hell most Biker scouts buy flight suits to wear under their armor.

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That's sucks John! What a bummer.

My local Garrison as well as the adjacent Garrison are both extremely helpful. Great guys and gals in both.
Central Coast and Golden Gate Garrisons...

I guess I'm bragging now... 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:57 pm 
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I was made "Inactive" by my Garrison because, according to them, I haven't attended any events in armor during the last year.

When I pointed out that I have attended 5 official events in the last year, but as a Celebrity Guest (and it's tough to host panels in armor), and I felt that I deserved a waiver for all the help I give the garrison and 501st members at the shows (getting them freebies, access to areas they wouldn't normally be allowed in, getting them into the big parties, and helping them meet celebs, including getting them exclusive access to Hayden Panettiere and Kristen Bell so they could give her a Trading card, something they would not have been allowed to do without my help, but something they've been posting pics of all over the place and bragging about, yet never even mentioned my help in it), I was just ignored.

So, at future events, any 501st member who asks me for a favor, will find my ability to help them out to be quite thoroughly "inactive".

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:57 pm 
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Not very friendly response from the 501st chappies! :(

Stay a marine, much more fun and only have to wear half a creaky plastic suit! :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:00 pm 
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As a member of the 501st and XO of my garrison and assistant detachment leader for the biker scouts, I deeply regret the response you received on this matter. As you have indicated from your own experience, not all members of the 501st are like that-- I would venture to say that the majority of us are NOT like that. I'm sorry you received that kind of response.

We are aware that there is a certain negative perception of the Legion amongst other costuming groups and we're always trying to fight the stereotype. Incidents like this only set us back. Since I am in a position to do so, I will look into this and get back to you. You deserve a better answer... a more civil and helpful one.

Frankly, I am embarrassed.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:19 pm 
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Sad thing is the guy who posted it is the person in charge of this part of Florida. Oy.

I'm going to take it as a joke. But it's got me grinding my teeth.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:58 pm 
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I'm a 501st member as well, serving as event coordinator for the Belgian Garrison for 2 years now. Started membership in 2002.

This response you got is indeed very shameful. This is not how we handle things in my Garrison. The result is that we are very succesful, with a lot of event requests, which is both good ànd bad.

Good is, we get to troop a lot. Meet new people. Get praise for what we do, etc...

Bad is, that the more praise we get, the more jealousy it generates with people from surrounding groups. Although this is just a minority, it's these folks who thoroughly sicken up everybody else. The 501st has become an elite pool of "favoritism" in a lot of ways and the response you got reflects that all too well.

The groups or individuals who do not wish to fall subject to it, may get slapped on the wrist for "not participating in the census enough", or "tampering witht the elections" or "wearing the wrong kind of bodyglove in the wrong places" or whatever other stupid reason they may think of.

Personally, I'd very much like to see the 501st return to its earlier years; scrapping a whole bunch of charter amendments instead of adding them. This happens with other groups as well, but indeed the 501st tops the lot with the "we're elite" attitude.

Personally, we've had run-ins with the Rebel Legion which ultimately caused the 30 people of our Belgian base to collectively leave the RL. Basically, RL-staff lost track of our base somehow and some local guy who found this out, took advantage of this to have himself appointed as CO of the new Benelux base, without informing the Belgians who've been RL members for years, of these new elections. Imagine all of our surprises when suddenly, in October, therefore 2 months before any official elections, we got a message: "Hey, I'm your new CO."
RL command wouldn't listen to us at all, when we pointed this out and it took a long and heated discussion before they admitted they had simply forgotten us, not explaining how this could be possible and not making any attempt to rectify the mistake on their end.

So we upped and left, making our base independent under the name of Crescent Moon Alliance.

On CE, we were ominously present as the Belgian 501st Garrison ànd the Crescent Moon Alliance, much to the dislike of the new base's CO. Since then, he's made quite a few indirect attacks on us, even sending e-mails to the Belgian tax office, claiming we ask for 1000 Euros per person when trooping on an event.
(in case you were wondering: when the tax investigator came to inspect us, it took her 5 minutes to dismiss the complaint, as we are officially recognised by the Belgian state as a Non-Profit Organisation. Belgian NPO's mandatorily have their bookkeeping checked annually by the government anyway, so if we woùld charge any money at all for trooping, they'd find out pretty fast).

But all that doesn't mean any of our people dislike the RL as a whole. We still have many good contacts there. Most RL-members who hear our story think it's a disgrace this happened. It's useless to hold the entire RL responsible for the actions of the current Benelux CO and last year's RL staff.

But we're happy as independent CMA. It functions pretty much like this online community does, only with more chance to see each other, have workshops, events together. There's no charter and no rules to abide to, other than "Behave yourself and have fun".

No elite behaviour, no favoritism, no selfishness. That is what our group tries to achieve.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:06 pm 
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And really... I;ve never "trooped" for Star Wars. Hung out with them yes. But never trooped.

But the Star Wars Weekend deal is too good to pass up. Oh march in a parade for a bit then get 2 passes for Disney each time I do it? Hell yeah!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm 
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Odd thing is, you don't have to be 501st to march in SWW, I don't think. You could go in wearing your RL costume, even though you would still have to register for the event through the Florida Garrison. I could be wrong, however.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:20 pm 
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Oh yeah I plan to do it as rebel. But the problem is... they make us sign up on the florida garrison board to sign up for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:56 am 
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As a non-501st member, I'd just like you to know the wanker gene is very rare. I had all of these preconceptions about the garrison guys but I have to say they were all great.

Sorry you had such a bad first encounter: just remember that jerks are everywhere :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:08 am 
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Sadly I've heard these sorts of issues more and more.
I cancelled my app' to join for just that reason.

But like it has been posted, not all of them are like that.
I believe its the nice ones who show up, troop and have fun and its mostly the jacka$$es who are the most negatively verbal online etc.

Our group here in OKC is making molds for Clone Trooper armor. Brian (project leader) posts about it on CloneTrooper.net and all we get is 'Hey, you're recasting my stuff!!' and endless stupid and childish responses like that. We're still waiting on a call from Steve Sansweet shutting us down. When I spoke to him....he laughed.

You just need to roll with the punches and remember why you're doing it.

And Spat...I'm sure you can be more 'inactive' than that ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:26 am 
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I've been in the 501st since 2000. For the first six years, it was a blast. Great group of people, lots of fun, great times wearing armor and going out and doing things. Things have changed since the last movie left theaters.

Recently the 501st added all sorts of new rules, and are telling me that my costumes (which were fine 8 years ago), now need to be re-examined to see if they meet the new specs. There are new rules about how many events you must attend each year as well.

The newbies (many of whom are now in charge) don't understand how many times we older folk have worn the armor and attended events before they ever even arrived. We're tired of it! We've been there, done that, and have the scars of wearing that armor to prove it.

So a lot of the veterans are a little annoyed and wary of newbies trying to join. Especially when they are very excited about joining. So some of the nasty comments come from them.

There are also a lot of newbies who are suddenly in a position of power in a (now) famous fan club, and they let it go to their heads and snap at new people trying to join up as well.

And then there's the butt head factor. New and old alike, there are just a lot of butt heads out there who should not be allowed to leave their houses, or have access to the Internet.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:31 am 
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Leach that was your group I read those posts! :roll:


Its deffinatly not everbody, heck I've had people approach me on the street if I got a t-shirt on and I'm always more than happy to help anyone looking to serve the Empire. The ones that act like that are deffinatly not the majority of the ones out their doing events visiting hospitals etc. Those are the guys that show up maybe twice a year at a convention and thats all anyone sees of them.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:25 am 
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Yep, that was us.
While I never posted on the topic, I got to read and follow along laughing.
Its clone armor so if it looks identical to some other guys....its a compliment <lol>
if it was recast....we'd have had it done long before now (going into our 3rd year)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:34 am 
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As founding father of the Georgia Garrison way back when the 501st was 9 (yes 9) members strong, I can tell you that the best thing I ever did was get out of that group...they became the most stuck up, egotistical, holier than thou group I ever had the displeasure of being a part of...

That is the entire reason I gave away most of my SW collection, and sold all my SW costumes. Now, SW makes me cringe just to see it..and I was raised on these movies. I was at the theaters for every release of the originals, and had a blast when the re-releases came out..but now, SW is dead to me...Thanks alot 501st.

But please dont be discouraged from joining with them...there are some decent groups out there..I even still talk to some at Cons. But those are the people that remember the 501st for what it WAS...a fan group, not a bunch of media hounds.

Long live the Colonial Marines!!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:38 am 
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Brother Clones, you might want to check out

http://clone-empire.com/ It's a pretty cool and casual Clone forum

Our Garrison is really darn cool. Going to an armor party this weekend. Working on my C6 helmet and pulling another set of armor. Looking forward to it, should be fun!

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Hollis DZC wrote:
Brother Clones, you might want to check out

http://clone-empire.com/ It's a pretty cool and casual Clone forum


Hey, Ripley was a clone...can she join?...(wah wah wah wahhh)
That was bad, I know :roll: :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:51 am 
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It's good thing the Colonial Marine Charter doesn't have such rules and regs... I've never appeared anywhere in costume, and some of my costume bits aren't screen accurate.

...I'd have to join Spat on the "inactive" list. ;)

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Yep, that was us.
While I never posted on the topic, I got to read and follow along laughing.
Its clone armor so if it looks identical to some other guys....its a compliment <lol>
if it was recast....we'd have had it done long before now (going into our 3rd yea



Thats what I thought when I read it, I've got the bulids website bookmarked for reference. Great stuff aside from what they say.


I sorta agree with Derek, some of us are gettin to be media hounds and likin all the freebies and stuff but I remeber back in the day when ya changed in the parking and had to answer a dozen questions to security at a hospital for a pre-planned event.


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All of a sudden I feel like I am in hostile territory. :?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:01 am 
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You're safe here.

It's funny that all the guys who were in the Garrison when I joined have all packed up or sold their armor in the last 2 years. 90% of the Empire City Garrison is newbies. I can only think of 1 person who was a member in 2000 that is still active. So sad, so sad.

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