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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:16 am 
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Im against Sex education at a young age.

To put it simply if you teach kids something then say: 'you cant do that your too young', the kids are going to want to know!

I didn't have a clue until i was around 15 /16, when i read it in a book, even then i didnt care much for it.

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Well, you could replace sex education with a profound change in some other aspects of society - find a way to stop binge drinking, for example, or get men to give a damn about women, even though that's quite tough with teenagers...

But honestly, teaching kids early on that a quick shag can land them into hip deep trouble is a lot easier than that...

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TK-1085 wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_sex_ed

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I have lost all faith in Britian and this ones not gun or knife related.[/url]



I feel quite strongly about this whole subject, so this might turn into a bit of a rant!

I think that article paints the whole idea of 'sex' education incorrectly and this has led to a lot of misunderstanding over the aims of the proposed changes.

The new policy is not intending to teach 5 year olds about (as someone so amusingly put it the other day) homosexual S&M, it's about making children aware of themselves from an early age. It's also intended to be compulsory - at the moment it's not and schools have to draw up a curriculum following parental consultation, leaving lots of room for ommisions and misadvice.

The fact remains that humans have one purpose, and everything we do is geared towards achieving it. 150 years ago kids went through puberty at 16 or 17, now it starts as early as 10. So physically they're ready for sex very young regardless of how emotionally mature they are. For that reason it is important to make children aware of what is going to hapen to them and give them enough information to make choices later on. That information needs to comprise the physical 'nuts and bolts', a degree of emotional education and a confidence boost (nobody makes better choices than someone who is empowered and has self worth).

It can also be said that lots of parents are too embarrassed to teach any kind of sex ed at home and while this is the case it must be done at school (the worst one I heard was a woman who thought tampon ads should be on after 9pm because she was embarrassed to tell her son what they were for - a well rounded man he'll turn out to be!). I was lucky to grow up in a really open household and I managed to avoid jumping into bed with any boy I met and having a pregnancy scare at 14, unlike most of my peers. I also went to a school with a very sensible sex education policy where we encouraged to think very carefully about what choices we made. My point is that knowing these things did not encourage me to go out and do them.

Telling kids that they can't do something will not stop them doing it - applies to sex, drink and drugs equally. And placing it within an 'it's dirty' religious stance won't help either. Giving them the facts and letting them make an informed choice is the only way, and until parents are happy to take on that responsibility schools have to. I'm all for the changes.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:31 am 
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What the lady said.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:42 am 
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Aye, any form of informed education is better than none, no matter how small.

Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate...



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...leads to suffering, and all that. :)


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Good point, I was pretty sure the media blew that outta of proportion to what it was really going to be, but ya never know in this day an age

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I'll tell you what the problem is with teenage pregnancies, binge drinking and drug taking: discipline or rather a lack of it.

Unless you reintroduce the value of discipline into kids, then no amount of pleading, teaching or training will do a damn thing.

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Which brings us back to parents not doing their job and schools having to take up the slack as best they can, in the end...

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I think the problem is more with a lack of personal responsibility.

Raise your kids to talk back, draw unemployment, emulate popular culture. Dont be suprised when your 14 year old daughter gets knocked up, or worse catches some nasty STD.

There your kids, you bring them up. Dont shed your responsibility to the schools, or the government..

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RustiSwordz wrote:
I'll tell you what the problem is with teenage pregnancies, binge drinking and drug taking: discipline or rather a lack of it.

Unless you reintroduce the value of discipline into kids, then no amount of pleading, teaching or training will do a damn thing.


Wasn't it an overblown sense of need to discipline and regiment our kids that resulted in the debacle that was the 1960s? c_c;

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:05 pm 
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You guys all talk a good talk...

But until you have personally gone through the process of raising a rebellious teenager and watching your control slip through your fingers, not knowing what to do next as nothing seems to work...

Then all you people are doing is "talking". :roll:

When you finally try it for yourselves; you'll find out very quickly it isn't as easy as you make it sound.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:56 pm 
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well on sex ed.. forget protecting kids from the truth. Kids are going to learn it one way or the other. I started warning my sisters kids about how easy it to get get someone or get pregnant as early as possible. Every time them mentioned a boy or girl they liked... it was the the first thing out of my mouth.

I have 3 sisters (all of them had more than 3 kids before the age of 20), one of my sisters didn't like me talking about that so she told me not to. (only one father still around BTW)

The kids I was allowed to warn have no got anyone pregnant, or gotten pregnant.

The kids that were "protected" have had numerous abortions and now has one kid on the way..... none of them are over 15.

The (now) teenagers I was allow to warn scold the one that was "protected"


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