Here in redneck Alberta, yah wear that and guaranteed you will get your head kicked in.

Mike

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Same here in Minnesota and North Dakota Mike, plus the fact that -30 to -40 F. are normal temps for a good part of the year. You would have the bits that wheren't kicked in by Rednecks falling off.

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Gaul ring a bell?

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The Gauls were famous for wearing "braies" (trousers), or nothing at all. Kilt wearing wasn't a tradition on our side of the Channel at all - there's certainly none in Brittany, the last truly Celtic place in France. And he's not even Breton anyway.

Still, you know what I meant.

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I'll still be wearing mine at DCon...Don't wear one if you can't handle it. Way it goes. Everyone has an opinion.

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USCM- The Colonial Marines- A Brotherhood of Bad Asses!

How else would they play football in the CFL?
Here is an accurate depiction:

Love the new photo Dom!!

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Haha. I only just noticed that

I was inspired by Kevin's 90's Flashback photo. Apparently, we both had longer hair in the 90's.

Don't want to split roots, but it's generally accepted that we 'invented' them.

Hmmm, maybe I'll have to try that... in the 90's I had hair. lol

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Here's an on(ish) topic question.

For those Military units that do/did have the tartan kilt as an active duty uniform item... is there an "active duty approved" undergarment, or do they "go commando"?

I'm talking "modern military" (1940s to today) and not the middle ages.

Russ

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As a young reservist at 16 1/2 (1977), when I first wore a kilt, I wore underwear. That was until someone else got caught (about a month after I joined) and their underwear were immediately ripped off and proudly displayed in the Junior Ranks club (the mess) on the trophy moose antlers. I since went "commando" after that. I'm sure there are parallel stories.

Mike

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At the risk of pissing any kilted commandos... WTF is the purpose of running free when wearing a kilt? Is this not just some antiquated notion?

I do hears traditions are big in Military circles.

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I have to agree... hence the reason I asked.
I'm sure the modern USMC don't wear wool long johns every day
like they were issued in the 1800s, even though wearing them
back then was common. Tradition is all well and good, but
somtimes modern convenience is better.

Heck, even the "Highlander" wore spandex bike shorts under his
kilt. This "mistake" can be seen on screen.

Russ

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Maybe because he just liked the feel of Spandex?

Besides it's not like the highlander is Scottish. Just listen to his Comedy Accent.

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"You are not your Drop Count."

He's a Frenchman. And one of those whose accent is just... let's say unmistakable, to be charitable. Did you expect him to have a proper Sottish accent when even English-speakers hardly ever do it right?

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Maybe he's like Sean Connery?

One accent fits all.

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"You are not your Drop Count."

With all due respect to Christophe Lambert, whom I kinda like, he's no Sean Connery. "One accent fits all" is not something just anyone can pull off!

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Sean Connery looks at the Kurgan...

'Do you expect me to wear a kilt?'

'No Mr. Ramirez, I expect you to die!'



Russ

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I kept meaning to address this and forgot. My bad!

So, "tartan":
1. a woolen or worsted cloth woven with stripes of different colors and widths crossing at right angles, worn chiefly by the Scottish Highlanders, each clan having its own distinctive plaid. (So this is just a basic definition from dictionary.com; we know there are obviously more tartans than just from clans; district tartan, corporate tartans, military/regimental tartans, etc. The point is to address the fact that tartans are plaids.)

We're all in agreement there, then. However (from Matthew Newsome's site)
"Solids: Of course, no one says that a kilt has to be made from a tartan. Solid color kilts have been worn for centuries. We have a portrait of the chief of the Campbells of Lochawe wearing a solid red great kilt c. 1635. Robert MacIan painted a few of his Highland figures in solid color kilts, as well, in the middle of the nineteenth century. The same Scottish woolen mills that weave tartan cloth also offer kilt weight worsted wool cloth in solid colors, including saffron, black, green, blue, gray, and others."

Anyways, just some food for thought.

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Right-o. But the clan chief wasn't wearing one made from black
leather or Urban Camo was he?



I'm willing to argue this point. If I paint my Pulse Rifle Neon
Orange, does that make it accurate? Or if I paint a picture of
Napoleon and make him Chinese, is it accurate?

I don't know Mr. MacIan. Is he an authority of some sort on
Scottish/Tartan history?



Just because they offer the fabric in solid colors doesn't necessarily
mean that people wear traditional kilts made from it. I can get
plaid fleece from the fabric store but that doesn't mean I'm making
a kilt from it either.

I have a hardcover book about Tartans and it has some history in
it as well as images of a variety of different tartan plaids. I'll dig it
out and see what additional info it may share if any.



All ideas are welcome! Thanks for the trivia tidbits!

Russ

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i will pipe in my opinion! the only solid color allowed for a kilt is the traditional saffron. many acient irish warriors wore the color. check out the paintings of angus mcbride

http://rocklandcountyaoh.com/HistoryAoh.html

Russ, I'll agree that just because someone sells it doesn't mean a traditional kilt would be made from it; I believe Mr. Newsome's point is the very same woolen weavers do make the solid colors as well simply due to the solid colors being acceptable.



Paleosteveo, I'm willing to respectfully state that I believe you're wrong in stating that saffron is the only acceptable color, and I'll quote again from Mr. Newsome's site, from a FAQ section:

"Does my kilt have to be in a tartan?

No, of course not. Solid color kilts have been worn since the seventeenth century, at least. We have portraits of men wearing solid color kilts as early as 1635. And tweed kilts were all the fashion in the nineteenth century."

I really believe this information, in addition to what was posted earlier, points that solid-color, traditional kilts most certainly were worn.

I'll also quote from www.scottishtartans.org (this also expands on who Mr. MacIan was)

"SOLID COLOR KILTS? But aren't all kilts made from tartan?

While tartan is certainly the most popular fabric for a kilt, kilts do not have to be made from tartan material, nor were they always made thus. As early as 1635 we have a portrait of Sir Duncan Campbell of Lochow, the founder of the Campbells of Glenorchy, wearing a kilt (belted plaid) of solid red. In the 1840's, when Robert MacIan painted his famous portraits of Highland clansmen for James Logan's book, The Clans of the Scottish Highlands, he depicted his Fergusson figure in a solid saffron color kilt, and his MacIntosh in a solid blue kilt. Irish pipe bands are known for wearing solid color saffron or emerald green kilts. Certain military regiments wear solid kilts, such as the "hodden" grey London Scottish kilts. The tenth battalion Black Watch was issued khaki kilts during WWI. Many a fine Scottish gentleman has worn a kilt made from Harris tweed. So solid kilts are quite an acceptable alternative to tartan. "

An interesting article on this topic is also found here.

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