In fairness, though, we don't. All they're doing is stating the truth and being up front about it. Same thing can be said of the universal declaration of human rights - the only reason we have them is because the government lives up to it. All it would take is for the government to state that those rights are not universal, and are a privelage, and poof - they're gone.

The death penalty is the prime example of how the universal declaration of human rights can come into question.

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Is there protesting over there though? Thats the only thing I haven't heard, I mean here in Western PA if someone banned guns you'd have a HELL of a hard time getting the citizens to actually comply with it, there'd be rioting and the whole 9 yards but its not often I hear about that happening over there.

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PFC Tom "Kenny" Kness
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If gun owners protested publicly it would be a laughing stock.

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It's pointless protesting against anything here. They have this little area cordened off opposite Downing Street specifically for the purpose of demonstrating (for which you have to apply!) and not being listened to by anybody. I call it "Waste of Time Corner".

And on the whole human rights thing, you're only seen as having any here if you don't deserve them. Anyone with an ounce of decency, civic pride or honesty gets completely shafted.

Might I reconmend a touch of revolution then?

Seemed to work well when we got pissed at our ancestors lol

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PFC Tom "Kenny" Kness
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Saw this on El Reg today...

"Safeguarding children is top priority for this Government and the child has been put at the heart of our reforms and we are determined to maintain a relentless focus on children’s safety." - UK Department for Children, Schools and Families, 2008

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", 1925

Pretty much sums up the UK really.

My sister is a huge history buff, and she has read Mein Kampf and she says the similarities between that awful book and what UK and EU governments are trying to do is shocking.

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http://www.richarddaborn.com
Now a member of the Freebooters, another Pirate about! Aaar!
A12/TQ0.0.72138F1 ECG Daborn, R RustiSwordz South East England-UK
'In Space, there is no Horse'

So um does that mean he won...?

He who forgets is damned to repeat.

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PFC Tom "Kenny" Kness
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many of our traditions and values have been ridden roughshod over since Labour Party came to power with that bastard Blair. The first thing he did was change the treason law removing the death penalty from it. (Its almost as if he knew what he was going to do over the next 10 years and he was afraid his actions would have him facing a firing squad.)
As for my fellow countrymen im sick and ashamed at the fact that they (myself included) are happy to sit on our arses as our rights freedoms and way of life is farted off into the wind. We should be up at Westminster burning the bugger down and shooting the sods inside. But nooo I'm Alright Jack. And our 'leaders' must be peeing themselves laughing at us all.

The UK today is not the country that millions of UK/USA and allies soldiers and civilians spilled their blood for 68 years ago.

Hitler did it the wrong way, he opted for an invasion which all it did was kick over the hornets nest. These buggers are doing it slowly, changing things one screw turn at a time over a long period so when people wake up one day they realise its all been taken away from them and its too late to do anything short of a full rebellion. Hitler is a rank amateur to these cretins.
Yet people cannot (or refuse) to see it. Makes me sick.

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http://www.richarddaborn.com
Now a member of the Freebooters, another Pirate about! Aaar!
A12/TQ0.0.72138F1 ECG Daborn, R RustiSwordz South East England-UK
'In Space, there is no Horse'

I think most people can see it and regularly lament it, but cannot do anything about it. What am I doing about it? What are you doing about it?

As long as we have our mostly comfortable incomes, fancy cars, trendy clothes, 'soap' magazines, 'reality' shows and big screen TVs, we'll let the powers-that-be do whatever they like.

*sigh*

'I'm a human being, god DAMN IT! My life has VALUE!'

I have none of those things. But still I do nothing about it ...

Pedant.

Nor me, actually... But if I listed some of the (few) things I've done to get my own back in my own little way, on a public forum, I'd be incriminating myself.

We do have a few guillotines tucked away in museums here and there. Get rid of a few aristocrats to begin with, it's always a good thing to air the 'blue blood' some.

See? Without bloody Nelson and Wellington, you too would be free of the oppression of the well-(in)bred and noble-born, and could then elect, in total liberty, a hyperactive, arrogant midget with delusions of grandeur and an agenda possibly worse than the one your own leaders have.

Wouldn't that be better, mmh?

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Hey, my ansestor was Bosun on HMS Victory under Nelson. We kicked your arse sunshine. (Take that Captain Picard!)

'Why did the French Admiral have a flagship with a glass bottom? So he could see his fleet...'


Thats just it though, Labour Party isnt fit enough to polish Nelsons boots. Political Corectness is hell bent on destroying every ounce of our history and traditions instead of accepting that we are what we are. Its almost a crime to be proud of our country and our history. Other countries do, why cant we?? Why is it so wrong to be a patriot.

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http://www.richarddaborn.com
Now a member of the Freebooters, another Pirate about! Aaar!
A12/TQ0.0.72138F1 ECG Daborn, R RustiSwordz South East England-UK
'In Space, there is no Horse'

Then make sure you rememeber this Saturday.. 25 October.. day to make you proud to be English.... and the day the French want to forget..

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Pfc Glenn Allen ,
1st Batt. 69th Regiment,
Homers Hero's..
Drops so Far.... 29 and counting

You mean the Charge of the Light Brigade? All the noise kept interrupting the French troops' lunch, it was annoying...










(Yes, yes, I know, Agincourt. Ble bleh, longbows, bleh!)

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And my only claim to fame in the whole fight with that short french dude is this one russian ancestor of mine.

Russian Field Marshall Prince Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Count of the Holy Roman Empire, born in 1761. He was made Russian Minister of War in 1810, rising to Commander of the Russian Armies in 1812 fighting against Napoleon Bonaparte. Instead of pursuing a campaign of direct confrontation with the French, he chose a scorched earth policy which starved the French army as it passed through the country towards Moscow. The plan was a resounding success, leading to the French retreat from Moscow in 1812 and their ultimate defeat. The Russian nobility resented the appointment of a foreign commander-in-chief, but his ability was undeniable and the Tsar named him a prince in 1815. George III of the United Kingdom named him a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. His portrait hangs in the Military Gallery in St Petersburg.

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Michael Larson
Minnesota-USA

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_ ... ain_sex_ed

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PFC Tom "Kenny" Kness
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Yes but the cannons couldnt be reloaded fast enough and we had enough cavalry to rip into the artillery positions and destroy them.

People see that as a tactical faliure, i see it as ballsy British derring-do.

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http://www.richarddaborn.com
Now a member of the Freebooters, another Pirate about! Aaar!
A12/TQ0.0.72138F1 ECG Daborn, R RustiSwordz South East England-UK
'In Space, there is no Horse'

Ballsy, maybe. But also a mistake - the wrong order given to the wrong person. Embarassing!

Then again, so many of the memorable battles or part thereof in Historywere the result of mistakes and previous failures...

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Worthy of note in this discussion:

The primary reason why motions are made in Parliament is because people ask for them. And before you say "bullsh** they aren't!", believe it or not, MPs do actually bend to the will of the constituents willing to actually bother talking to them. The trick is to be in the group of people who are bigger than the other group of people talking to your MP. If your MP ends up siding with your opposite view, there apparently weren't enough on your side writing in.

Whether the current government are worthy of considering previous administrations their peers or their betters is beside the point I think. We've had far worse, but we've also had many better. Plenty of Conservative governments have been just as bad, as have Labour ones and Liberal ones.

I was talking to a guy just the other day. He was an immigrant from Brazil, one of those people who left with his family from the favelas and came to England and made something more of himself through work in trade. Has a nice house, his kids receive a good education, he puts food on the table on a regular basis. I asked him what he thought of people complaining on the "state of society today", and he said "where I come from, this is heaven. Is it really worth complaining about?".

If you ask me, the biggest problem I have with British party politics is the whip system. It has stopped many, many good politicians doing the right thing.

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So, let me get this straight.

'Our' government wants to teach five year olds sex education? I'd consider that a bit early, but I'm no expert. Learning some facts about sex earlier is better rather than later or in some cases never at all, I would presume...

But on the other hand, consenting adults soon wont be legally able to write about, possess or take pictures or video of each other engaging in sexual acts that other people may deem as 'violent' or 'extreme'?

Egads, think of the children!

So on one hand, a potential useful, positive bit of legislation; on the other, foaming-mouthed lunacy. I suppose the yin-yang balance is somehow addressed here... *sigh*

If the US ever gets this bad, I'm gonna start pricin islands in the carribean.

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PFC Tom "Kenny" Kness
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I want to buy a small fortified farm in Gascony - if the Brits haven't bought them all already - learn to grow vegetable and raise ducks, and then declare independance.

I'd consider the island thing, but I've tried tropical life, and it really doesn't agree with me...





On a more serious note, it's true that compared to so many other places, none of us rich Westerners can really afford to bitch and moan that much. Of course, that's no excuse to just accept anything from anyone as long as we can feed ourselves; but it's probably worth remembering why so many people come over to our countries before we fly into a rage. *shrug*

And (graduated) sexual education from 5 on? Good idea. If Britain is anything like Ireland, some of those kids NEED to be taught about those things before they end up screzing up the lives of - at least - three people by having a baby at 16 or earlier.
Some people can pull it off. For most, it's a death sentence to a better life...

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