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 Post subject: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:38 pm 
Not sure if you saw this on the other thread so I am posting it here.
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Quote:Should I cut the blue wire with the yellow stripe, or the black wire with the white stripe?


Which wire should he cut and why? I think blue wires stop the timer with 1.023 seconds left, but i am not sure what blue wires with a yellow stripe do. I have no idea what a black wire with a white stripe does...

Kevin, I wouldn't cut either until we come to some kind of concensus. Hang on, help is on the way;)
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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:39 pm 
Alright, here we go...

<span style="font-size:medium;]Wire Cutting 101

Blue wires are typically used as "patch wires", and added to circuit boards or wiring systems at the factory to correct design or fabrication problems. That is why Joe clearly pointed out that this would be the wire of choice to cut when attempting to stop a timer with 1.023 seconds left. These are typically used when rigging up timers to things that don't normally have timers on them.

Blue wires with a yellow stripe are slightly different, in that they are used not as a "patch wire" but as a connection to modular upgrades, such as automobile alarm systems. You would cut this one only if you wanted to disable an alarm from setting off. Especially useful at night when you don't want to wake the neighbors.

Black wires are of course your negative, or ground -- again, in typical 12-volt automotive applications.

Black wires with a white stripe are always used for "switched" connections, namely those associated with ignition systems or starters. This is the wire you would want to cut if you wanted to disable an automobiles ignition system -- or to gain direct access to the starter so that you could, for example... hot-wire it because you misplaced your keys.

I hope you manage to fix your coffee maker Sarge! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:06 pm 
Well that would be a lot of help...

But I just dropped my MagLite down the elevator shaft. I'm working off a chem-lite stick now and both friggin wires look black and green.

What the hell do I do now!?! :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:38 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:59 pm 
Which wire was on the left side?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:07 am 
I know a guy who has a friend who knows all there is to know about this.
He'll be back in the office on Friday but its ok, I left him a message ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:55 am 
Yeah... umm...




RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE!!! :roll: :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:28 am 
What's your car... er, coffee maker doing in an elevator shaft?!?

You wouldn't happen to have your handy dandy Savanna Bronica lighter attached to your gear, would you?
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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:00 am 
Ahhh, there's the rub... We all know the blue wire stops the timer, including the guy who hooked the blue wire to the timer. It's like Princess bride with the poison. We know that its the blue wire, but we know that he knows that we know that it is the blue wire but we know that he knows that we know he knows we know it is the blue wire.
What if it's both...I mean neither...
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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:07 am 
Well. You could wait until the inevitable fireball starts rolling up the lift shaft. That should give you enough light to work with.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:02 am 
Cut both simultaneously using ceramic coated cutters.

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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:36 pm 
Quote:
Quote:Cut both simultaneously using ceramic coated cutters.
If you're using a pair of standard design ceramic coated wire cutters, one wire will inevitably get cut before the other one -- even if they are ceramic coated. The coating is meant to eliminate a short circuit, but does nothing for you if your intention is also to cut them simultaneously. Considering it takes only 15.27 nanoseconds for a signal to travel the distance of a foot across copper wire, cutting both wires exactly simultaneously can be critical.

In this case, you will want to use a wire cutter strictly designed for simultaneously cutting plural insulated conductors without creating a short circuit comprising disposing said conductors between a pair of co-acting blade members having a blade angle of about 0.degree to 8.degree., said blades being offset from each other and at least one of which is movable relative to the other so that their cutting surfaces pass as they move through a substrate from opposite sides, said blades being fabricated from a material having a bulk resistivity greater than about 1 ohm-cm (*organic polymer) and having sufficient hardness relative to their thickness to prevent substantial deformation when the blades are forced through the substrate -- Rockwell hardness of about M30 or greater.

A steady hand also helps. ;)

Once again... good luck! :)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:04 pm 
Could someone please tell me... what this is all about?!?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:53 pm 
Ok I've got a 50/50 shot at this. I'm usually wrong on my first guess so I'm going to go with the brown wire with the orange stripe. The chem-lite went out hours ago (thanks for the speedy replies guys :roll: ), so I'm working off memory and what the colours feel like.





Here we go! :D











UHHHHH...






<span style="font-size:x-large;]00:04




00:03




00:02




00:01










<span style="color:red;font-size:x-large;]00:00







Joe...







<span style="font-size:xx-large;]GRAB THE CAT!!!!



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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:33 am 
hmmm, I guess it was the other wire.
Thanks everyone.
It could have been both, I mean neither.

Kev, as always you were a great sport about all of this.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:26 am 
Personally. I blame the cat for the large scale property damage. He had wirecutters.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:10 pm 
For those who don't know... ;)

"Grab the cat!" is a line from Lethal Weapon 3- Riggs and Murtaugh enter a building with a bomb in it. Before finding the bomb in a car, they come across a stray cat who decides to stick around and watch the action unfold.

Murtaugh says to leave the device for the bomb squad, however Riggs (being an explosives expert) insists on defusing it himself. Riggs ends up cutting the wrong wire causing the timer to countdown ten times faster- at which point he tells Murtaugh to "GRAB THE CAT!" ;) :lol:


However the "blue wire/black wire" senario is from "The Abyss". ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:05 pm 
"Which wire do I cut" scenarios...
LW3
Abyss
Armageddon
Manhatten project
Speed?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:48 pm 
Technically you could add "Goldfinger" as Bond was about to pull out all the wires of the atomic device... Until Felix walked up and simply turned it off with a switch. ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:53 pm 
Wasn't there something in True Lies?

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 Post subject: Re: Sarge needs your help!!!!!!!!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:08 pm 
Found a couple of games to practice with if we ever come across this situation:

Bomb Defusal- Simple

Bomb Defusal- Complex

Hope this helps. :)

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"I know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won."


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:13 am 
Throw the bomb down the elevator shaft.

I'm sorry, I don't have any funny cat pictures defusing a bomb, or in an elevator shaft :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:02 am 
As once said at a link I can't find again, when I become an evil maniacal villain intent on world domination, any timed bomb I set will have wires of all the same color (or of standard colors used in non-standard ways) and the bomb will be set to explode when the timer reaches something like 21:05.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:15 am 
That's.. Evil! Oh wait I get it.. Evil villian. Right.
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