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Author:  philip7 [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:27 pm ]
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is there a sales thread on here guys ?

looking for a pulse rifle kit at a resonavle price
Author:  Russ Krook III [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:30 pm ]
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The sales section will open up for you after you have been a member for a while and participated in
the community discussions. What kind of kit are you looking for, resin or airsoft?
Author:  Spatman [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:31 pm ]
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There's a Base PX with For Sale and Want to Buy threads, but you have to be a member for a while to get access to it.

But if you're looking for a Pulse Rifle kit:

http://www.spatcave.com/spatstore2.htm

Free plug!
Author:  philip7 [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:37 pm ]
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airsoft, got an m1a1
Author:  Big Stew [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:15 pm ]
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cheapest you'll get a kit is about $350
Author:  PVB [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:08 pm ]
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If you have the airsoft M1A1, then your easiest option is what's known as the G & P kit.

See my build guide link in my sig to see how it fits around the stripped down Thompson. :)

As said above, the kits are pretty rare, but if you Google for Aliens Pulse Rifle kit, you might find suppliers that sell them for £300-450.

Bear in mind that (afaik) you should be VCRA registered.

Edit: Here's one, but best check they have stock before ordering;

http://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/acata ... _Kits.html

Edit2: One that says they have them in stock;

http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/g ... -alien-kit
Author:  assimilate [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:58 pm ]
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you dont have to be ukara registered to buy the kit as it doesnt contain a weapon its just a kit
Author:  PVB [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:52 pm ]
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Building the PR/modifying the Thompson is what I'm on about.
Author:  assimilate [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:52 pm ]
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well it stands to reason if he is in the UK and already owns a M1A1 thompson then they already have the nessecary exemptions to do it
Author:  punkmarine [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:57 pm ]
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Not if it's a two-tone one. :wink:
Author:  assimilate [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:04 pm ]
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yeah but the 2tone ones are crap and not worth using
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:07 pm ]
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assimilate wrote:
well it stands to reason if he is in the UK and already owns a M1A1 thompson then they already have the nessecary exemptions to do it

No, it does not.

I own quite a few items that I acquired before the new laws came into effect. I can still legally continue to own them without VCRA exemption, but the new laws would prevent me from repeating the things I've done.

You assume he acquired the Thompson either before VRCA requirements or under a permitted exemption.
Author:  assimilate [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:11 pm ]
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fact is he has the weapon, so bolting a g&p kit isnt going to make any difference to owning a thompson exempt or not
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:19 pm ]
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assimilate wrote:
fact is he has the weapon, so bolting a g&p kit isnt going to make any difference to owning a thompson exempt or not


If he has no VRCA exemption then modifying anything that results in a RIF - regardless of original conditions, status, ownership etc - is a crime.
I could take a De-Act and make it into a Smart-Gun. The fact that it was legally owned would not be an issue. Heck, I could use a live weapon - The VRCA still prohibits the creation of RIFs, period. If the result is deemed a realisic imitation and you hve no exemption, then you're breaking the law an have no legal defense.
Author:  Sidewinder [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:27 pm ]
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I'd have to disagree with your opinions on this matter Woody. A Deact remains just that and would still be exempt - in this case however other laws may come to bear depending what you do to the Deact. Similarly you cant turn a live weapon (a Firearm) into a RIF, the two things are mutually exclusive (can't be both).
The RIF (in this case a M1A1) maintains its RIF status until you either paint it 51% bright colour or change it in such a way as it could no longer be mistaken for a firearm according to the stipulations in the VCRA. As such by turning it into a pulse rifle its still the same RIF, point is you haven't created a new one.
This is my opinion as I, like most folk, are not qualified to deliver fact on this patently badly conceived and ill-written piece of legislature.

SAS
Author:  philip7 [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:45 pm ]
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surley if an m1a1 is made into a pulse rifle surely its now a film prop ?

ive impotred from the usa denix muaser pistols that have been made into dl44 ( han solo ) blaster and a working sandman gun ( logans run ) no problem, classed as film prop,,,just dam import duty..... :roll:
Author:  assimilate [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:51 pm ]
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i agree with Si as its th point i was trying to make
Author:  Sidewinder [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:54 pm ]
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The criteria for RIF status is basically (I think) "would average joe public think it's (could be?) a gun?" if the answer is yes then the VCRA applies. What the item actually is, film prop, lighter, sculpted soap bar, is irrelevant.

You've imported and got away with it just means you've got away with it without those in power finiding out - doesn't necessarily make it legal.
If it had been declared as "Film prop replica Mauser Pistol" which is a more honest and accurate description of the contents you might have had a much less enjoyable experience.
Again, had you done the above and not had a problem, it still wouldn't have been necessarily legal.

SAS
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:22 pm ]
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Sidewinder wrote:
A Deact remains just that and would still be exempt

Just the opposite - I alread asked at the Proof House, as I was hoping to use a Deact MG42 to do exactly that. Their legal chaps say that if you do ANYthing to a UK spec De-Act, it is no longer considered a deact and becomes an RIF under UK law, even if those modifications further restrict it.

Sidewinder wrote:
As such by turning it into a pulse rifle its still the same RIF, point is you haven't created a new one.

That is debatable. By lopping half of the Thompson off and whacking on the PR kit, not only is it still creating an RIF but it also won't be painted 51% dayglow colour.
Moreover the PR is realistic enough that members of the public will mistake it for a real weapon - This has already happened (last year at W&P, along with someone thinking that Rich's armour was the latest issue body armour).
Author:  88reaper88 [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:23 pm ]
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Could someone tell me what RIF means?
Real Immetation Firearm or something like that?

Oh and you do need the VCRA thingy to get a G&P kit, the grenade launcher counts as a replica weapon due to the trigger and pump action (quoting Wolf Armouries' reply to my question).
Author:  Sidewinder [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:14 pm ]
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I'd like to see the legislature that says that. Given the implication then is that one can mod a Deact, which then becomes a RIF - I have an exemption and can therefore then do whatever I like to it as its no longer covered under the Deact laws. I doubt very much that would be the case. Just because people in officialdom are supposed to know what they are talking about, doesn't alawys mean that they do.

Ttaskmaster wrote:
Just the opposite - I alread asked at the Proof House, as I was hoping to use a Deact MG42 to do exactly that. Their legal chaps say that if you do ANYthing to a UK spec De-Act, it is no longer considered a deact and becomes an RIF under UK law, even if those modifications further restrict it.
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That is debatable. By lopping half of the Thompson off and whacking on the PR kit, not only is it still creating an RIF but it also won't be painted 51% dayglow colour.
Moreover the PR is realistic enough that members of the public will mistake it for a real weapon - This has already happened (last year at W&P, along with someone thinking that Rich's armour was the latest issue body armour).


I maintain my opinion given that you are not putting an additional RIF into circulation, merely changing its appearance and maintaining its RIF status.

SAS
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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The legisation, as I understand it, follows the same weird track that classifies a De-Act as such and neither a live weapn, nor a RIF. The instant you alter a De-Act beyond it's required spec, which is a crime in itself, it then no longer becomes a de-act and is also illegal unless you have an exemption. This does not include simply adding things to it (mainly as collectors add scopes and things), but Aliens weaponry tends to require cutting barrels and things.

My argument over adding a G&P kit without exemption is that by adding one you'd still need it's external surface to be 51% brightly coloured.
Author:  philip7 [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:01 pm ]
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vcra doesnt cover parts
Author:  Ttaskmaster [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:28 pm ]
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But if you whack a G&P kit on, the vast majority of your Pulse Rifle will be green and black.
Without exemption, you'd need to repaint it.
Author:  punkmarine [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:43 am ]
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Is a Pulse Rifle a RIF? :?

The HCG PR didn't need any VCRA exemptions to be able to buy from the Propstore did it?
Surely companies like those would have to know the laws, and be sure it was legal, before selling to joe public, wouldn't they? :?




Oh and Assimilate, lots of sites do a two-tone paint service for any airsofts, so no they aren't all crap. :roll:
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