Hey folks.

I just saw that King Arms apparently has produced a new Thompson M1A1 as well as a Thompson M1928. According to rumour, CYMA's molds/blueprints for the Thompson have "disappeared" and King Arms is now producing the new Tommies for Cybergun.

Now, there are rumours that the lower receiver is metal. There seem to be two versions, the "ultra" version with Thompson markings printed on the upper receiver (like on the CYMA version) and a version with the markings cut into the receiver à la Marui. The second version does have real wood grips as far as I know. It is unclear however whether any of these versions does have a metal lower receiver.

Having had no alternative than to build my Pulse Rifle from airsoft parts, I have replaced every single plastic part of the airsofts with metal parts (yes, I even got the M870 metal body and barrel), but I have yet to find a lower receiver made of metal which fits the Marui upper. If there is a King Arms metal lower, then I want it!

Can anyone confirm that the lower receiver is metal? On which version(s) of the King Arms Thompson?

Thanks!
Roman


P.S.: The new M1928 seems to have the wrong upper receiver, the cocking handle is on the side as well...

Its a plastic lower receiver on em all.

SAS

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That's too bad...

Where did you get the information? On the King Arms site, they say that the "Ultra" version has a plastic lower receiver, but the other (deluxe) version is simply advertised as being "full metal". Although in the pic of the metal parts, the lower receiver is not shown, and there's no additional info anywhere...

They would have the market by the snarglies if they made a metal lower. I've taken apart more Thompsons than I care to recall, a little worrisome but not impossible.
The lower is pretty thin, a die cast part would be totally feasable it's just a matter of the tooling costs, if they could do it, every Thompson AEG owner would be knocking down their door!

If I could bend the ear of King Arms I would tell them just that.

*edit*

Just checked their site and there's a showoff pic of all the metal parts included in the kit, sadly the lower is not among the parts shown. Surely they would show it off if it was.


M

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Alright guys, I posted my disappointment about the plastic lower in a forum of a local airsoft vendor and they told me to swing by and check the Tommy gun out for myself.

I just came back from there, and let me tell you, the lower receiver is metal! It was cold to the touch and there was no discernible difference between the material of the upper receiver and the lower receiver.

Yes,you heard right. The lower receiver of the King Arms Thompson (M1A1 and M1928) is metal, but only on the version with real wood and engraved markings! The so-called "ultra version" with fake wood and white printed markings (this is the best tell which version you're looking at) DOES NOT have a metal lower but a plastic one like the Marui and the CYMA.

And right now when I came back, I got confirmation from the airsoft sites WGC and UNCompany that the real wood version does have a metal lower.

Unfortunately, the local shop only had the M1928 version, so I'm ordering the M1A1 version early next month. The finish is different from the Marui finish, and I want the lower and upper receiver to match on the Pulse Rifle. But the M1928 version has an engraved "1928 version" marking where it would be visible on the Pulse Rifle. Yes, I am a perfectionist. :p

Man, now I finally WILL have the ultimate all metal airsoft PR.

Cheers!
Roman

Rejoyce!

M

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Sounds good!

Cheers,
Stefan

I hate to say it but I've been reading more reviews and they are saying the lower is ABS.

I've seen only the syntehtic wood versions available anywhere here in the UD none of the so called wood stock engraved versions...

I wish we could get a straight answer from SOMEONE.

M

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Yes, the version with the fake wood and white markings on the rear of the upper receiver has a plastic lower. But the version I held in my hands had most definitely a metal lower.

My local airsoft shop orders everything directly from UNCompany and WGC Shop, which both have the version with real wood in stock. But I was also told that Cybergun, our "favorite" airsoft retailer, seems to only distribute the cheaper "ultra" version in both Europe and the US.

I don't know if there's any way of getting one of the metal versions other than directly ordering from those two online shops. But they both confirmed that the lower receiver on the real wood version is metal.

I'm going to order one anyways sometimes in February, and as soon as I hold it in my hands, be prepared for a review.

Cheers!
Roman

All I can find here are the cheap cybergun type ones with the printed designations and plasic stocks.

M

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Here's a review I found of the real wood version. It's in French, but it again confirms that the real wood version does have a metal lower:
http://www.france-airsoft.fr/forum/inde ... pic=146538

The only plastic piece is apparently the rear sight (the actual sight, not the frame around the sight). Also, the King Arms replacement mags seem to be plastic, but the review states that the parts are interchangeable with the Marui version. Or at least the mags, not sure about internals.

Also, I read somewhere else that Cybergun only retails the cheaper version with fake wood and plastic lower receiver in the US and Europe. I guess the only way to get one of the all-metal guns is to order it directly from Uncompany or WGC. Thanks Cybergun...

I'm hoping to buy one of these tomorrow at the local shop, if the only one they have in stock hasn't sold until then.

Cheers!
Roman

Alright, I got one.

I can confirm that the lower receiver is metal. Apparently, all the metal is aluminium and zinc alloy. Not sure what exactly the lower is made of, but it is cold to the touch and is heavier than the plastic TM lower, but not by THAT much. I might have to add some lead bits in case the Pulse Rifle is too front-heavy to stand on the mag bottom by itself, but I'll see once I finish the Pulse Rifle.

The Marui lower has an extra metal tube inside which is tapped in order to attach the front screw of the wooden stock. On the King Arms thompson, this piece is gone, since they tapped the hole in the receiver directly. It's metal, after all.

Marui mags fit just fine, even if you remove the innards of the mag (on the Marui Thompson, the "20 rounds" mag was rattling a bit after you removed the BB mechanism, but on the King arms, it sits firmly with or without the innards. It's great!).

The block of the tommin adapter sits a bit looser on the King Arms upper receiver, since the "nozzle" part of the upper receiver has a smaller diameter. But once you attach the rail of the tommin adapter, it should be just fine and the block should sit firmly in place. Otherwise, I'm simply going to pad the nozzle a bit so that it stays in place.

The upper receiver has nice real markings, none of that "Made by Tokyo Marui" stuff. That might be the reason why this version is hard to get in the US, since I believe there are pretty strict rules regarding real markings. It says:
AUTO-ORDNANCE CORPORATION
WORCESTER MASSACHUSETTS U.S.A.

and on the other side:
THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN
CALIBER.45 M1A1
NO. 280856

I believe the serial number is the same on each gun.

Disproven rumor: My Thompson had a little piece of paper attached to it saying that it was serial number 631. So the real wood and metal lower Thompson is NOT limited to 300 pieces worldwide. Some airsoft sites stated this.

The TM parts and King Arms parts should be pretty much interchangeable, although the King Arms outer barrel will not fit the Marui upper without some filing. And the real wood pistol grip of the King Arms does not fit the Marui, I think you'd have to file the wood down a bit.

The black of the King Arms lower receiver is ever so slightly different from the color of the King Arms upper receiver, but it's hardly noticeable.


What can I say, I just love it!

Now all I need are the aluminum shrouds from you, Matt, and I can finally finish my all-metal Pulse Rifle! Yay!

Cheers!
Roman

Well I guess we got to keep looking then.

The king arms gun will essentially be the difinitave PR base then since the metal lower will trum the proven quality of the Marui...

I'm hoping they intend to aftermarket the lower like so many metal body replacements for other guns.

Your shrouds are on the way, however the SD mag base is still in production so you may have to wait a little while longer for that.

M

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Any updates to US availability?

Separate lowers would be great!

You stated that in order to get this version, you'd have to go through Uncompany or WGC. Could you provide a specific link to which version gets you the version you've been raving about (upper and lower reciever in metal)? Thanks!

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The version with all metal and wood has stamped/engraved markings. And it goes for around $350.

If you see white printed writing on the gun you have the Metal and Plastic with fake wood version.

^^ What he said!

Here are the direct links:
http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdet ... odid=28084
http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/pro ... =6&cat=358

You might want to contact them beforehand to make sure you'll get the correct version and to make sure you'll get it at all (i.e. you can import it).

Cheers!
Roman

Anyone in the states get one of these yet?

This may be a stupid question, but I was speaking to a shop that said they had a full metal CYMA and a full metal King Arms, would they be the same? I think one of them might have been a "Chicago Typewriter", not being familiar with that, does anyone know if that would work for a PR?

The "Chicago Typewriter" (because of its notorious use by the Chicago gangsters of the 1930s) is the nickname of an M1928 Thompson-





The Thompson used for a pulse rifle build is the M1A1-





The main difference between the two is that the M1928 has a top side charging handle, while the M1A1 handle is located on the right side. Because of this, the M1928 is unsuitable for a PR build due to the shroud. Other differences- The M1928 also has a vented barrel (although it is more like a heat sink I guess), and the upper receiver is wider than the M1A1, making it impossible to fit into an aftermarket PR conversion kit.

So you definitely want to avoid the M1928 and get the M1A1.

Hope this helps.

EDIT- I just noticed that the picture I hotlinked of the M1928 is reversed- it is the left side of the weapon not the right (the magazine release and fire select/safety switches are on the left side).

Kevin

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Thanks for that info Kevin, certainly glad I asked as I could have gone the wrong route.

Hello!
I recently ordered the King Arms M1928 Real Wood version, was that a bad choice?

Edit: I'm sorry, did not realize that this thread was a year old.

See SSgt Burton's post a couple above yours to see that it is a bad choice, due to the charging handle being on the top of the receiver and the upper receiver is wider than the M1A1, so normal PR shrouds won't fit.

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Hi,

Maybe I can set your mind at rest here.

PVB & SSgt Burton are right about the differences between the two versions of the real SMG. However, when CYMA & more recently, King Arms produced their M1928 AEG's they cut a massive corner by using the M1A1 upper receiver! This still hasn't been corrected to date as far as I'm aware & it makes the model look awful IMHO.

However, once you remove the outer barrel, pistol grip, butt & rear sight you have the same 'chassis' for a PR build as the M1A1 model. You'll see the similarities straight away in the two links below:-

'M1928' ...
http://www.kingarms.com/productpage.asp?prodid=1934

M1A1
http://www.kingarms.com/productpage.asp?prodid=1933

Hope that's of some help.

Cheers.

John.