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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:56 am 
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Oh man, I'm a little pissed now.

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My OD pulse rifle suffers from slight droop. Okay, that's one thing. But the clip is falling apart. I just got this bad boy last Friday and its sat safely in a drawer. I go to take a look at how bad the droop is, and the pieces of the clip's paint is chipping off. The clip looks like it would split in two if the battery wires weren't holding it together. I need to post pictures so I can show you guys.

Do you think HCG will replace the clip at least?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:18 am 
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fpr those in the cooler climates , why cant you use some electric heaters in a small space to heat her up ?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:04 am 
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The 'leave it in the sun' fix has been claimed now to be BS on the RPF.


Haven't heard that. I've only read that people don't "believe" that it will work, or that there might be other consequences.

Then again, I've not seen lear60man's PR after he left it in the sun either. But at least, he did claim that it worked. I haven't seen anyone claim that it didn't work. or destroyed their PR or something...


http://www.therpf.com/f9/licensed-pulse ... ost1337499


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:22 am 
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Ill post the link to pics of my #99 OD PR again:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/licensed-pulse ... dex47.html

It worked for me no problem as my droop was only a degree or two. I get the fact that it might not work for everyone. But then again everyone doesnt have the same skill set and defects. What I did learn is that its held together with heat reactive glue that has a lower melting point than the resin. So in theory, it can be heated up and realigned assuming there isnt rouge resin blocking something.

Defiantly not BS but more information and or options for the folk who are willing to try.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:59 am 
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Just found as i was playing with my pulse rifle. that the leaver above the trigger as been cast separately as i can get it to move a little. why is it not like the leavers the other side ?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:41 am 
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Just found as i was playing with my pulse rifle. that the leaver above the trigger as been cast separately as i can get it to move a little. why is it not like the leavers the other side ?

Dunno, but I think someone posted in the RPF thread about that lever looking very fragile, so be careful. :)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:27 pm 
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Started reading the RPF thread about modifying the HCG and Matsuo says this:
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......the shrouds are glued and there are "lugs" in several places that protrude into the resin... without knowing where those are you will have a very hard time getting it apart... and right now I am the only one who knows where those are!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:42 pm 
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One aspect of all this is the often used statement about voiding warranty of the PR by trying to fix the manufacturing defects.

In the UK, we expect a warranty to cover replacement or repair of a faulty item, failing that, a refund.

The Sale of Goods Act even 'adds' years to the manufacturer's original guarantee period, passed on to the retailer who sells the item. e.g. TVs are expected to last at least five years.

These HCG PRs have no such guarantee, merely a full refund if you're not immediately happy with your purchase.

I think HCG and the Prop Store should state this to potential purchasers (in the UK at least).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Started reading the RPF thread about modifying the HCG and Matsuo says this:
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......the shrouds are glued and there are "lugs" in several places that protrude into the resin... without knowing where those are you will have a very hard time getting it apart... and right now I am the only one who knows where those are!

Ohhhh, the power that man yields!!! :twisted:
I'd hold onto the information....let them figure it out.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:45 pm 
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I'm certainly keeping an eye on that thread. :wink:

Might take the HCG into work on Monday to show to a couple of Aliens fans.
I've not mentioned the droop reports to them, so it'll be interesting to see what they say. :)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:19 pm 
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These things are still available online in alot of places. I almost bought one but im glad I didnt. My AS PR looks far better and actually works. And no problems like droops or sticking clips. The only reason I would buy one would of been for the Aluminum Shrouds. But, Id really like to ask are all who purchased this happy with it overall or disappointed? Please let me know.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:22 pm 
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You've basically got two distinct points of view on the HCG Pulse Rifle that are directly related to what the purchaser was expecting, or originally intending...

1) Aluminum shrouds only... the rest for the most part is considered disposable or resaleable for cheap.
2) The Ultimate and Definitive Pulse Rifle! Disassembly and upgrades NEVER crossed their mind.

I personally fall into category 1. I already own real metal parts and Thompson M1A1/Remington 870/Franchi SPAS 12 parts kits... so all I was still in need of were aluminum shrouds. Any resin castings of the remaining parts no matter how good will never compare to what I already possess, so the rest of the HCG Pulse rifle is pretty much a moot point for me -- barrel droop and other defects or not.

Unfortunately, anyone who falls into category 2 was most likely expecting the end-all-be-all of pulse rifles. It would have been nice if HCG could have pulled this off for a mere $900.00, but I did not believe it for a second. I was not blind to the fact that the bulk of that money was going into the aluminum shrouds. Sadly, in order to pull off this low price point the job had to be done in China where proper communication and quality control can sometimes cause problems when not managed closely. If anything, I am completely shocked at how utterly beautifully the aluminum shrouds turned out. Seriously.

That said, there are several other options that we have be fortunate enough to have access to here in order to build quality pulse rifles -- but of course, that means building them... or commissioning someone to build them for us. Building a pulse rifle has never been cheap. Heck, I've got nearly $1500 in my Tokyo Marui based pulse rifle with real Franchi SPAS 12 cage and foregrip, and it still only has 'plastic' shrouds.

Hopefully not for long. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Started reading the RPF thread about modifying the HCG and Matsuo says this:
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......the shrouds are glued and there are "lugs" in several places that protrude into the resin... without knowing where those are you will have a very hard time getting it apart... and right now I am the only one who knows where those are!

Hmmm... I wonder what he's willing to sell the 'plans' to the death sta... er, 'plans' to the HCG pulse rifle for? :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:36 pm 
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I thought the shrouds were supposed to be able to come apart. By gluing them and sticking lugs into the resin parts that means your most likely going to ruin the resin parts which could make selling them on afterwards impossible and you could even damage the shrouds I imagine. To be honest I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one. I would only have been interested in the shrouds so all the other defects that are coming to light would not have bothered me particularly, other than from a "prinicipal" point of view.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:42 pm 
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I thought the shrouds were supposed to be able to come apart. By gluing them and sticking lugs into the resin parts that means your most likely going to ruin the resin parts which could make selling them on afterwards impossible and you could even damage the shrouds I imagine. To be honest I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one. I would only have been interested in the shrouds so all the other defects that are coming to light would not have bothered me particularly, other than from a "prinicipal" point of view.

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Here's more from Matsuo in the RPF thread:
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I have successfully grafted an HCG shroud set to an airsoft already... No pix yet but soon.

The shroud swap has been mentioned elsewhere. It is not exactly easy and the shrouds as they come off the resin HCG Thompson are not readily usable on the real Thompson or the airsoft. The side rails need to be widened (top and bottom, not deepened), clearance needs to be widened on some of the fire control components.

There are locating lugs molded into the metal shrouds that protrude into the resin components. Those have to come off as well as clearance needs to be made for any aftermarket stock locking mechanism.

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The glue they used looks like some kind of epoxie or maybe an industrial hot melt.
The resin they used is polyester not urethane like most of us use. It's very hard... if I can figure out WTF I did with my heat gun I'll test the thermo reactivity of the glue and resin.

Also The alloy in the shrouds is pretty soft yet strong, it mills like butter, I think someone handy with a die grinder should have good luck modding the shrouds to fit.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:23 pm 
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As mentioned a few times elsewhere I am utterly swamped, I will try and do a fully documented tear down with pix and lot's of 'splaining but it's going to take some time.

Random notes:

I dont believe the shrouds were advertized as removable, I designed them to be, the factory changed the design to fit their production techniques, but to be honest it is a blessing that they are even adaptable with some work.

The stock and vent are salvagable

The resin thompson even if you didnt break it removing the shrouds is not goigng to turn any heeads.

The GL not much better but it'll come off fairly easily, would make a decent stand in in a pinch, hell I'd venture you notch it to fit a spulse and wind up with a working GL spulse.. not bad actually.

I could go on at length about the good bad and the ugly of this gun but it seems people are focusing on the bad. it's a fair cop but I have absolutely no control over that... HCG has to provide refunds and customer service.

My primary desire right now is to help those who are inclined to tinker with their gun and modify it.. airsoft is the flavor of the day but I do have someone wanting to put a HCG shroud set on their full metal deact SD/Matsu Hybrid.... That thing will easily tip 20lbs before I'm done!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:36 pm 
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As mentioned a few times elsewhere I am utterly swamped, I will try and do a fully documented tear down with pix and lot's of 'splaining but it's going to take some time.
Understood Matt -- I'm not in any rush... yet. ;)

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My primary desire right now is to help those who are inclined to tinker with their gun and modify it.. airsoft is the flavor of the day but I do have someone wanting to put a HCG shroud set on their full metal deact SD/Matsu Hybrid.... That thing will easily tip 20lbs before I'm done!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:44 pm 
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I could go on at length about the good bad and the ugly of this gun but it seems people are focusing on the bad. it's a fair cop but I have absolutely no control over that... HCG has to provide refunds and customer service.

We're not holding you responsible for the problems, so no worries there. :)

I'm in no rush to amend the droop, so will just set about putting the plaque up on the wall (securely!) in the meantime. 8)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:52 pm 
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I could go on at length about the good bad and the ugly of this gun but it seems people are focusing on the bad.

I'm guilty of that Matt and I apologize.....I have nothing but great comments on the work you put into this...I saw the prototype at WonderCon and that's what I went off. I'm just sad the mass production process turned out the way it did.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:00 am 
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Mass production actually happened, Tony. :o

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:01 pm 
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In getting mine ready for taking to work tomorrow (non-SA sling for it and Noble carry bag emptied), I weighed both my G&P PR and the HCG one;

G&P: 8lb 10oz (without the sling but PP3 battery fitted)

HCG: 10lb 14oz (no sling and AAA batteries fitted)

That was using digital kitchen scales, with the PR standing on the stock and my hands around it (but not touching) in case it fell over. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Well so now Im a PR owner and why not stop by and report.

Got BB #415.

Nice gun.

Molding details are moderate but ok since I want spend my time 1" from it. Got some slight micro chipping of black colour around movable parts and BB from case edges. Feels like the paint haven't got hold properly on the surface, it also smell new so I wonder if the paint has had time to dry at all.

Stock, bolt, GL pump and shotgun bolt are too plastic (not the stock though) and movable and to the brink of being loose if shaking the gun gently. Metallic paint on the shotgun bolt was sloppily applied sot I have to paint out black coloured stains.

Fit and weight is wonderful. Although warned, main trigger feels very nice. GL trigger has to be pulled slight forward to get into a cool position.

Got a Barrel drop of a few degrees. If aligning the rifle barrel to an industry ruler I have about 1/4" droop at the end but its very hard to see at first glance. GL seems to be strait though but the rear top seems to bent slightly upward toward the case creating a slight downward curve in the middle.

None of the above is eye catching. It can't be seen if looking down the barrel or along the PR cover from the rear. It looks nice in the mirror and on the wall, although I don't trust the board holding it so I will make a stand for it instead and place it on the bookshelf.

The drooping is however strange as an Aliens fan I've spent at least 15 years drooling on these PR's so one must realise that there is no two guns that looks the same in detail and the barrel droop can bee seen on several. I have also observed on some pics, Im not sure how to describe "Barrel narrowing" like the barrel is thicker at the base narrowing slightly like on the M1928 that appears to visually angle the barrel a little downwards but Im not sure of this.

Anyway all of this is hard to judge as most pictures are angled and too small to actually make a scientific statement. It should also be added as a friend of mine who is a photographer claimed that unless you have a special objectives most cameras, including digital, has a basic fish eyed lens creating a bent look at the centre of the picture in this case the barrel. I took a picture of my gun and the drooping worsened by at least 30 %, it's scary. Im afraid that this is the matter with most pics of the hero props used in the film as the experts claim that the barrel should be strait.

One thing with the HCG PR that Im not sure of is that the gun have a very wide magazine holder. Can some one give a comment on this?

It would be nice if shipped with a sling and I really missed - just one grenade, just one would be nice but I think I have to turn to you guys to get one.

As for the gun, with its problems, It's mine (and there is no one else like it) and just as the screen used ones it has it own persona being handmade so it stays.

For the HCG I didn't have the highest thought from the beginning. Had some issues with them of a P##s poor made limited numbered predator machete with a cracked blade and sharpened by a China man that apparently spanked the chicken at the same time. Even the substitute wasn't satisfactory but I have that side of the blade against the wall so it doesn't show any way.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Your photographer friend says every camera lens has a fish-eye centre? :shock: :roll:

Admittedly most pics of the HCG PRs have been done with a standard digicam lens, which by and large are wide angle, so may cause some bending of lines, but not on just one side of the image.

Concerning the fitting of a grenade; you can't. the GL won't rack if you try to fit a grenade inside it.

Tonight I laid a steel rule against the PR, so you can see there's no bending of the image by the camera lens.

I've added several 1 pixel wide lines to the images to show that the droop is really there, not just an aberation of the camera lens:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:04 am 
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Personally, I think the lens distortion theory is mostly bunk and should be put to bed.

Well designed lenses will have little or no "curving" distortion along the two (horizontal and vertical) centre-lines of the image (even a fisheye!). IE: if you put a ruler level in the centre of the frame, it should always looks straight.

The image below is a test chart for a very wide lens showing distortion.. Note that both the centre-lines are straight and that distortion is only bad near towards the edges:
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(compact cameras rarely have a lens this wide...)

As you move away from the centre-line, wide-angle lenses will distort. In the PR-droop case, the PR would have to be significantly above the horizontal centre-line for a downward droop to be exaggerated.

The simplest way to reduce distortion in any lens is to zoom in and step back. Then you should get close to zero distortion even near the edges.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:52 am 
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Did any of these actually make it into the UK. I'm curious...

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