Certainly, when I saw the kid's P90 it had no battery or ammo.
Whether the weapon that was heard being fired belonged to the kid, I don't know... It's possible that he removed the battery after firing, or it may have been someone else's AEG going off that was heard by centre security.

The point is that nobody should have been firing anything.

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Since you all carried on this debate in what was originally the NSC photo thread I've decided to split it off.

In future folks please start a separate thread if you want to discuss something that's way off topic to the original subject.

Harry

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Sorry Harry...
*Hangs head*

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Interesting points all round and the very reason we have the no ammo rule is to prevent what apparently happened.

There is only so much checking we can do as a group, it’s very much down to the individual. We are each responsible for our own actions. I can check an airsoft gun on arrival and two minutes later it could be loaded and primed for action if the owner so wishes.

It’s an interesting point about none sanctioned groups. For example how would you deal with a bunch of guys dressed as Marines swigging beer and brandishing guns ? Not part of group but reflecting poorly on the work we do. Should the NSC be put in the position of having to inspect any and all RIF’s ? Questions I’m not too sure I know the answers to.

On this occasion from what I can gather (the detail is a little sketchy) the airsoft was fired at a Dalek and there were no injuries. But supposing the pellet ricocheted into a kid’s eye ? How you do think the parents of a blinded four year old are going to react ?

On a side note if I’d seen someone discharge a weapon in a public place I’d most probably have rammed the thing up his arse.

Edit: spelling

No need to apologise Rev, this is a very necessary discussion, which is now in the right place (i.e. it's own thread).

Future events will benefit and we'll be in a better position to protect ourselves from this happening again.

Carry on!

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Seeing as how the son swore blind he pretended to fire the AEG (as in, pretending to fire a real gun, bang bang etc etc), and said time and again "It could have been worse - I could have had a battery and bbs in" I honestly wonder whether some wires have been crossed here. The dad also told the lad off for doing it.

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Not sure if I’m understanding you here Malika if I hadn’t of volunteered to cast my eye over the UKCM members the Space Centre would have allocated someone to do it ?

If that’s the case then Pete I would suggest that could well be what has happened.

It’s hard to make any sort of judgment call when we don’t know the facts

Very true.

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True indeed.

I guess you cannot govern everything.
Though of course you make a table on entry to the NSC, manned by UKCM & UKG persons & a member of NSC Security to check ALL (UKCM,UKG,Punters,etc) weapons entering the NSC?

Major part is thankfully no injuries & no accidents but alas with the current climate as said already in this thread (Sorry also Harry & thanks),we Need to be VERY Vigilant & Not Give ANY excuses to Police,Media,Goverment to make even more drastic laws that could affect us.

Jason

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If the kid fired actual projectiles at a Dalek, then I'd have been pretty near the front of the queue to kick his butt for him.

Then again, if that had been the case, would the pair of them not have been instantly escorted from the premises instead of being asked to put their gear in the car?
I'd have insisted upon it if I'd been in the Dalek, or hit by a ricochet.

Where is the accusation of projectiles being fired coming from?
Is it hearsay or did anyone actually see it happen / was it caught on camera?

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Afraid I know not,this threat was my first insight that an airsoft was fired within the NSC main building.

That would be down to NSC to take that up.

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Rev it would appear security said it was.


Edit:

Jason ref checks:

Nice idea but logistically a nightmare. The layout and use of the NSC doesn’t lend itself to that kind of vetting. Additionally the Space Centre is just one event that we attend. We need to ensure we are safe as possible at all events.

At the end of the day we can invent as many rules and regulations as a group as we see fit but if an individual member chooses to ignore the sensible advice we issue then they is very little we can do.

Os - I clocked that, but did this security member actually see the kid in question firing the weapon? And by "Fired" did he mean with BBs or without? As I said earlier, it's possible that AEG-fire was HEARD, and attributed to the kid because he was seen aiming his P90...

I'd really hate for some poor newbie to be crucified in absentia for something that someone else did.

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You’re absolutely right. No disrespect to the security but it is possible to misunderstand the situation if you don’t have experience in that field.

If he did then he deserves a damn good shagging, if not then an unfortunate turn of events has been unleashed.

Regrettably I don’t believe we are going to get to the bottom of what actually happened unless someone here witnessed it first hand.

"For example how would you deal with a bunch of guys dressed as Marines swigging bear and brandishing guns ?"

Wouldn't that make them screen acurate

Joking aside i was peed off at CE when a whole Garrison did pretty much that.

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Os,
Valid point mate on weapon checking. Just a thought.
Though most cons do a weapons check anyway don`t they? As well as Group regulation on top of that.

As said the actual firing tis the first I`ve heard of on here,so cannot offer more.
It could be as said pure coincident or maybe not.

Jason

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Drinking and handling firearms?

Where's my baseball bat...

Incidentally, I heard a fair bit of dry firing at the event.

It’s all good mate the only way we can get things running efficiently is through the sharing of ideas. I’d encourage everyone to have some input.

Ref weapons checks I’m not aware of any independent checks being made by organisers.

All my weapons were checked by staff at the Telford do.

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None of my weapons have been checked at any of the shows I have been to in the past. I have seen notices on the forums for said shows etc about weapons rules but this assumes that everyone going to the event in costume has been to their website, which is not always the case.
I believe at some of the shows we have been to security have taken an interest but I have never actually been inspected.

Darren

Nice to know Pete. It does seam a bit sporadic then as I wasn’t checked at Mem or Comic Con last time I went.

Well that`s a surprise as the LFCC forum said it was doing weapon checks (I wasn`t in gear so didn`t affect me).

So I took that as a professional sign of doing the right thing.

Maybe they do see us costumers as none threatening (which is great),though all it takes is one bad apple/Mistake & well that could jeopardise eveything for costumers.

I must admit I think my sentiments share more along Petes lines (as long as it`s legal et al) but for the sake of the hobby I`m willing/Need to be more aggressive in weapon checks.

We don`t once again want to paired off to other events that are NOT connected to us,though alas will possibly have a great effect on us. Unless we prove otherwise we are professional in this manner & a reputation to prove it.

Jason

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That's because at the last couple of drops I have seeked out the security and had my gear checked out and vouched for everyone there.

Strictest drop so far was Milton Keynes. Private security firm for the stars. Good guys though...
Strangest one was Glasgow. Mall rent-a-cops.
"No armour or weapons in the food court."
"Ok.. Wait.. What? The food court?"
"Yes. No armour or weapons in the food court."
"Riiiight."

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